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6 days ago.
by mythravere
harryanderson
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Thankfully, the anti-science propaganda campaign surrounding man-made climate change seems to have lost some of its effect.

Are you seeing storm clouds on the horizon? Two recent studies suggest that the latest anti-science campaign is following its forerunners--the propaganda campaigns attempting to refute science that tobacco causes cancer, that CFC's caused the hole in the ozone layer, and so on—into oblivion. Global warming denial seems to have climbed to a peak in 2010, and global warming acceptance is now climbing. This bodes well for rational public policy.

 
 

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Tiredofit

It does not lend credibility to you or your argument to use such terms.

Posted 198 days ago.

Tiredofit

The Drama queen is the one who chooses such terms, that would be YOU

Posted 198 days ago.

harryanderson

“You will see this break down on party lines pretty quickly…”

Not by me. I won’t let my political preferences affect my willingness to accept or reject physical evidence.

Posted 198 days ago.

Kendall78

"You will see this break down on party lines pretty quickly and the emotion behind it is pretty scary at times. The phrase holocaust denier and witch burner has been tossed at me a couple of times."

Don't forget drama queen. You've been called that too.

The reasons for the comparisson to a holocaust denier was the methods you both tend to use. This has been explained multiple times already but just as a holocaust denier, you simply ignore facts as they are given to you.

Posted 198 days ago.

harryanderson

Anderogg, et. al., whom I cited previously, wrote, “we have likely compiled the strongest and most credentialed researchers in CE (convinced by the evidence) and UE (unconvinced by the evidence) groups. Citation and publication analyses must be treated with caution in inferring scientific credibility, but we suggest that our methods and our expertise and prominence criteria provide conservative, robust, and relevant indicators of relative credibility of CE and UE groups of climate researchers.”

I agree. Publishing in peer-reviewed journals and being cited in them enhance an author’s credibility.

Posted 198 days ago.

Tiredofit

You will see this break down on party lines pretty quickly and the emotion behind it is pretty scary at times. The phrase holocaust denier and witch burner has been tossed at me a couple of times. Now it was explained that they were not actually calling me those things but the choice of words shows the disdain or at least I think so.

Posted 198 days ago.

Tiredofit

I don't think very many people doubt the climate has warmed since the last ice age. The discussion is not about that.

Posted 198 days ago.

Tiredofit

Believe it or not, very little research has ever been funded to search for natural mechanisms of warming NOT much funding to be had for that particular way of thinking. Welcome to the discussion LTS.

Posted 198 days ago.

luvthesouth

anthropogenic (human-caused) pollution. But they’re not going to find something if they don’t search for it."

it is an interesting site with information that may add to everyones discussion.

Posted 198 days ago.

luvthesouth

global-average temperature increase that has been observed over the last one hundred years or more. But to many politicians and the public, the term carries the implication that mankind is responsible for that warming. This website describes evidence from my group’s government-funded research that suggests global warming is mostly natural, and that the climate system is quite insensitive to humanity’s greenhouse gas emissions and aerosol pollution.

Believe it or not, very little research has ever been funded to search for natural mechanisms of warming…it has simply been assumed that global warming is manmade. This assumption is rather easy for scientists since we do not have enough accurate global data for a long enough period of time to see whether there are natural warming mechanisms at work.

The United Nation’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) claims that the only way they can get their computerized climate models to produce the observed warming is with anthrop

Posted 198 days ago.

luvthesouth

kendall78 et al...please find an excerpt from the website of Dr. Roy Spencer, Ph.D. "Roy W. Spencer received his Ph.D. in meteorology at the University of Wisconsin-Madison in 1981. Before becoming a Principal Research Scientist at the University of Alabama in Huntsville in 2001, he was a Senior Scientist for Climate Studies at NASA’s Marshall Space Flight Center, where he and Dr. John Christy received NASA’s Exceptional Scientific Achievement Medal for their global temperature monitoring work with satellites. Dr. Spencer’s work with NASA continues as the U.S. Science Team leader for the Advanced Microwave Scanning Radiometer flying on NASA’s Aqua satellite. He has provided congressional testimony several times on the subject of global warming.

Dr. Spencer’s research has been entirely supported by U.S. government agencies: NASA, NOAA, and DOE. He has never been asked by any oil company to perform any kind of service. Not even Exxon-Mobil.

“Global warming” refers to the global-a

Posted 198 days ago.

Kendall78

"That lie has been repeated over and over again"

So there is no doubt, what "lie" are you referring to?

Posted 198 days ago.

Tiredofit

That lie has been repeated over and over again, even on this very forum. I hope that we will see a little more honesty from now on but I am SKEPTICAL about it.

Posted 198 days ago.

Tiredofit

I have yet to look closely at that particular study, but just like Dorans study, the bias is obvious when you break it down. Most don't bother they just parrot your president, who was lying.

Posted 198 days ago.

Kendall78

@Tired- Try answering the first part before you go after the second, "So do you disagree with Richard Lizden the Climate Change Skeptic?"

Posted 198 days ago.

Kendall78

"This is NOT 97 percent of scientists, this is a carefully selected slice of scientists."

What kind of scientists do you want to be asked? Those that focus on Theoretical Physics? How about Astrophysics? Maybe Computer Science or Veterinary Medicine?

Why would we want the opinions of scientists that do not have an education in Climatology? It would be like asking a Doctor in Library Studies for their opinion of a heart transplant procedure...it would make no sense.

Posted 198 days ago.

Tiredofit

What makes your opinion more viable than Lizden's educated position on the topic?

Never said my opinion was more viable. Do you enjoy making things up?

Posted 198 days ago.

Kendall78

"I never said that Man was changing climate"

So do you disagree with Richard Lizden the Climate Change Skeptic? Lizden said the following, 1. "We all agree that temperature has increased since 1800."

2. "We all agree that CO2 is a greenhouse gas."

3. "there’s hardly anyone serious who says that man has no role. And in many ways, those have never been the questions. The questions have always been, as they ought to be in science, how much?"

What makes your opinion more viable than Lizden's educated position on the topic?

Posted 198 days ago.

Tiredofit

97%-98% of the climate researchers most actively publishing in the field???????????????? I sure hope you have more than this, This is NOT 97 percent of scientists, this is a carefully selected slice of scientists. If the most prolific writer was the biggest expert, Myth would be the smartest poster, and we all know that isn't so.

Posted 198 days ago.

Tiredofit

Harry I never said that Man was changing climate, you have lost the lesson you were taught just this very day. The debate was whether your assertion that 97 percent of scientists agreed to that. I proved without a doubt that you were indeed not telling the truth. That has NOTHING to do with what I believe

Posted 198 days ago.
 
 
 
 

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