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10 hours ago.
by Kendall78
harryanderson
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Thankfully, the anti-science propaganda campaign surrounding man-made climate change seems to have lost some of its effect.

Are you seeing storm clouds on the horizon? Two recent studies suggest that the latest anti-science campaign is following its forerunners--the propaganda campaigns attempting to refute science that tobacco causes cancer, that CFC's caused the hole in the ozone layer, and so on—into oblivion. Global warming denial seems to have climbed to a peak in 2010, and global warming acceptance is now climbing. This bodes well for rational public policy.

 
 

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moderation

There will always be seasonal changes... the tilt of the earth.

Posted 181 days ago.

mythravere

Something that needs to be considered but isn't is this. Will the climate transition to previous norms if global warming is stopped?

The climate is a dynamic system. I personally do not see the climate going back to how it behaved in the past. Sure we might cool the world but the weather patterns may never go about their seasonal business the same as they did in the past ever again.

Its the chaos in the system that's the kicker.

Posted 182 days ago.

moderation

It would certainly take more than half a century for the glaciers to recover.

Posted 182 days ago.

mythravere

Well I think what they are doing is setting a goal for carbon reduction that would bring it down to levels seen within the past half century. The exact time frame I'm not sure about though.

Posted 183 days ago.

Kendall78

@myth, "but instead of doing just whats necessary we instead go to far and cause too much cooling."

Back when a certain nutso was on here that went by Lily, she/he/it was always going on and on about the carbon emissions and such and that was might complaint as well. How do we know when enough is enough? In some sense, when we are talking about climate change and man's effects on it..we are in one way talking about terraforming right here on Earth. How do we as a species decide what is cool enough or hot enough for Earth?

Posted 183 days ago.

luvthesouth

moderation. from what i have read, it appears that water and air...or the movement thereof have tha main influence on our weather. temperature is a key ingredient in creating the water cycle, the creation of high and low pressure air masses as well as regulation of climate. the less green areas we have also tend to absorb less of the solar induced heat as well as the absorption of co2 and release of o2. i agree that oceans have a great deal of impact on our weather in that oceans along with other bodies of water make-up the majority of the surface of the planet. i found it interesting to read about how far north the tropics were prior to what we now consider normal. that is what's perplexing in this discussion. to me temperature while having the power to "rock our world", i find myself more concerned with the polluting nature of non-naturally occurring actions by man. i have optimism that the earth can heal itself as evidenced by the shrinking of the hole in the ozone layer.

Posted 183 days ago.

moderation

lts- without the influences of volcanic eruptions and asteroid impacts, aren't ocean currents the main influences on earth's on weather systems?

Posted 183 days ago.

luvthesouth

btw....thanks for asking the question. sometimes, most if you ask my wife, my mind is miles ahead of my ability to articulate its thought. kudos to mythravere for deciphering my apparent ill-fated attempt to convey a thought.

Posted 183 days ago.

luvthesouth

planet will prevail. interstingly enough our planet has endured many changes to its thermal well-being and has ended up presenting us with nothing more than a new reality in which we have to endure to exist. given the choice...i must prefer the warmth to the cold...hence my geographic choice of residence.

Posted 183 days ago.

luvthesouth

harryanderson, myth pretty much summarized the intent of my comment. the comment did not take into consideration the removal of pollutants that affect our environment. instead i focused on the temperature effects on our environment and weather. when one considers that the dramatized effects of warming, even at a moderate 1.3 degree per 100 years (1880-2012), how so would the reverse to square one, much less a drop equal to the rise, have on the environment and climate? if in fact we are in the midst of a third ice age, how will the drop in global temperatures affect our planet and will it yield the desired results temperature wise? in terms of reducing pollutants, the obvious answer is it will have a positve effect on planet earth. while i have no doubt that some of our actions are not the wisest, i have confidence that given the opportunity the earth will recover. i am not so inclined to believe, that when economic and political interests are at play, that the best interest of our pl

Posted 183 days ago.

mythravere

Not to but in on the answer but this is how I understood it.

Say we try to reduce carbon in the atmosphere to cool the planet(stop global warming) but instead of doing just whats necessary we instead go to far and cause too much cooling.

We'd also muck up the carbon cycle too.

Posted 184 days ago.

harryanderson

luvthesouth,

I don’t understand what you’re trying to say with your last post. You wrote, “we must be prepared for the opposite of our intended corrective actions....good or bad.”

What do you mean by “the opposite of our intended corrective actions”?

Posted 184 days ago.

harryanderson

Ithink, you wrote, “They can't even predict a hard winter. Let's all go crazy about their 100 year predictions.”

I see you’re still having a hard time telling the difference between weather and climate. Perhaps the following quote from NASA will help you:

“In most places, weather can change from minute-to-minute, hour-to-hour, day-to-day, and season-to-season. Climate, however, is the average of weather over time and space.”

ww w.nasa.gov/mission_pages/noaa-n/climate/climate_weather.html

Posted 184 days ago.

mythravere

This is becoming very comical now.

WOW!!!!

Hey Kendall. The light of their logical lantern never shines inward.

Posted 184 days ago.

Kendall78

I didn't know the Farmer's Almanac made predicitions on global climate.

Posted 184 days ago.

h ttp://dailycaller.c om/2014/02/20/report-farmers-almanac-more-accurate-than-govt-climate-scientists/

Farmers'Almanac is more accurate than climate scientists.

Posted 184 days ago.

Kendall78

Hmm, so if the experts get climate predictions wrong..everything they say about climate change is wrong. That is your way of thinking on this right?

So since the experts at Fox News got their predictions wrong about the Presidential election, everything they say about the President is therefor wrong..right?

Posted 184 days ago.

ht tp://w ww.businessweek.c om/articles/2014-02-18/the-official-forecast-of-the-u-dot-s-dot-government-never-saw-this-winter-coming

They can't even predict a hard winter.Let's all go crazy about their 100 year predictions.

Asteroids WILL happen.

Posted 184 days ago.

moderation

lts- no

Posted 185 days ago.

mythravere

Not worried at all about an asteroid. Especially one that is gonna pack a 2500 megaton wallop.

If it happens and I don't die in the initial hit I'll put a bullet in my head.

Then again. It might be cool to go outside and watch chunks of the earth reenter the atmosphere...before you die anyways.

Posted 185 days ago.
 
 
 
 

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