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2 hours ago.
by mythravere
harryanderson
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Thankfully, the anti-science propaganda campaign surrounding man-made climate change seems to have lost some of its effect.

Are you seeing storm clouds on the horizon? Two recent studies suggest that the latest anti-science campaign is following its forerunners--the propaganda campaigns attempting to refute science that tobacco causes cancer, that CFC's caused the hole in the ozone layer, and so on—into oblivion. Global warming denial seems to have climbed to a peak in 2010, and global warming acceptance is now climbing. This bodes well for rational public policy.

 
 

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harryanderson

"I am the one voice you guys will not shout down."

Nobody's trying to shout you down. That would be easy. We're trying get you to think.

Posted 64 days ago.

harryanderson

"And of course you tacitly endorsed said charge"

How so?

Posted 64 days ago.

harryanderson

"What do you mean you "pegged" me?

Posted 64 days ago.

harryanderson

“Either you can make the case for the title of YOUR thread or you CANNOT”

I believe you’re a little confused. The title of this thread is “Thankfully, the anti-science propaganda campaign surrounding man-made climate change seems to have lost some of its effect.”

That did seem true at the time, but things have changed. I’m not sure what the latest polls say about how effective the propaganda campaign has been lately.

It does seem the propaganda campaign has become more vicious and more irrational. Your behavior is prima facie evidence of that.

Posted 64 days ago.

harryanderson

For the last month I have asked the same thing, can anyone prove man causes global warming. And you have failed.

Not true. I haven’t even tried. I haven’t tried because I believed myth when he said you didn’t want proof.

And now that you’ve defined proof as “a concept that is really only applicable in mathematics, because math deals with abstract concepts and definitions,” you’ve shown myth to be correct. You’ve made it clear you will deal only in “abstract concepts and definitions” rather than real data that is observable and measurable.

Myth and Kendall pegged you a long time ago, Tiredofit.

Posted 64 days ago.

harryanderson

Yesterday, you told me to "make (your) case" and added, "When your case is complete, I will agree or disagree but not until then"

My "case" is that CO2 is a greenhouse gas. Now will you do what you said you would do, and agree or disagree?

Posted 64 days ago.

harryanderson

So far the score is 6 scientists who claim CO2 is a greenhouse gas (including Lindzen) and none who say it isn't.

Now, do you agree or disagree?

Posted 64 days ago.

harryanderson

Tiredofit, you wrote, "When your case is complete, I will agree or disagree but not until then"

When will you keep this promise? I said CO2 was a greenhouse gas. Do you agree or disagree?

Posted 64 days ago.

harryanderson

“they fail to point out that the warming has been small”

Checkmate

Lindzen, in addition to admitting CO2 is a greenhouse gas, also admits that the earth has warmed. He disagrees on the amount of warming, but says it has warmed.

I said CO2 is a greenhouse gas, and your post from Lindzen backs me up.

Posted 64 days ago.

Ohwiseone

TOTAL WHACK JOB !!!

Posted 64 days ago.

harryanderson

Tiredofit, you once again demand proof. Yet, according to your definitions, proof of climate change is impossible. You wrote, “Proof is a concept that is really only applicable in mathematics, because math deals with abstract concepts and definitions.” So, to you, if a piece of evidence is real, rather than abstract, that evidence doesn’t count.

You also gave another absurd definition that deals with real, rather than abstract, phenomena. You wrote, “To be proven, something needs to be demonstrable and repeatable.” So, to you, the past temperature record doesn’t count because it isn’t “repeatable.”

Bottom line: Nothing real counts to you. The only thing that matters is what you dream up.

Posted 64 days ago.

Ohwiseone

Ah , the usual from the king of denial ! You make your point and when the know it all cant come up with a LOGICAL reply ,cusses and leaves ! If you're going to leave in a huff why don't you just stay gone !

Posted 64 days ago.

harryanderson

"The case was MAN CAUSES GLOBAL WARMING."

I didn't intend to make that case today at all. Again, you're using the straw man fallacy. You're ascribing a position to me.

Posted 64 days ago.

harryanderson

"Thanks for admitting you CANNOT make the case harry"

Again, this statement is false. If I don't try to swim from Parkersburg to Belpre, it's absurd to say I cannot.

Posted 64 days ago.

harryanderson

"When your case is complete, I will agree or disagree but not until then"

You haven't yet kept this promise.

Posted 64 days ago.

harryanderson

"You have failed to prove man is causing global warming."

That statement isn't accurate, since, in my posts yesterday and today, I wasn't trying to prove man is causing global warming. That would be like saying I failed to swim from Parkersburg to Belpre, when I never tried.

So, do you agree that CO2 is a greenhouse gas?

Posted 64 days ago.

Ohwiseone

Typical republican , delay, deny and lie ,lie ,lie !

Posted 64 days ago.

harryanderson

"When your case is complete, I will agree or disagree but not until then"

My case is complete. Now, do you agree that CO2 is a greenhouse gas? If not, why not?

Posted 64 days ago.

harryanderson

"Iam not required to agree to any of your statements, lay out your case."

Nope. You're not required to agree. I made the case that CO2 is a greenhouse gas. Do you agree that I made my case? Or should I present more evidence.

You mentioned mathematical proof the other day. Then maybe you know that proof builds upon proof, and it's futile to go on to the second step without proving the first step.

So again. Do you believe CO2 is a greenhouse gas?

Posted 64 days ago.

harryanderson

I don't understand. Is that a yes or a no? Do you believe CO2 is a greenhouse gas?

Posted 64 days ago.
 
 
 
 

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