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123 days ago.
by slinky
harryanderson
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Thankfully, the anti-science propaganda campaign surrounding man-made climate change seems to have lost some of its effect.

Are you seeing storm clouds on the horizon? Two recent studies suggest that the latest anti-science campaign is following its forerunners--the propaganda campaigns attempting to refute science that tobacco causes cancer, that CFC's caused the hole in the ozone layer, and so on—into oblivion. Global warming denial seems to have climbed to a peak in 2010, and global warming acceptance is now climbing. This bodes well for rational public policy.

 
 

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Kendall78

"It is no secret that a lot of climate-change research is subject to opinion,"

Evidence?

Posted 415 days ago.

Kendall78

"all see a larger budget if they claim the threat"

Evidence? You are implying that if they say their is a problem then they can get more cash. Do you have evidence that NOAA or the Pentagon has lied on global warming to get more cash?

Posted 415 days ago.

Kendall78

You don't seem to understand the scientific method. The scientific method has been used and shows global warming is happening.

You disagree with the results, so it falls on you (or those you agree with) to use the scientific method to show how they are wrong.

You haven't done this, when will you?

Posted 415 days ago.

Kunectdots

Kendall said, "I'm afraid that one day the Govt will make the decision and force everyday citizens into curbing any pollution they produce."

Congratulations Kendall and applause for the guy with the big head.

I believe you've stumbled upon the ultimate intent of the international Progressives climate (people control) agenda. Much of the substructure of the climate control movement is made up of very well-funded elitists who believe more in the rights of animals than those of the human race, that is, except at any inconvenience to themselves.

I wish you would make some effort to discover what their schemes for "Re-wilding" the planet actually involves.

Posted 415 days ago.

Kendall78

You wouldn't be suggesting that the nation ignores a problem are you? Even if you do not believe their is a problem, shouldn't the govt figure out if their is a problem that can be fixed?

Posted 415 days ago.

harryanderson

Thanks for your reasonable response, Kentall. Your fears will undoubtedly become reality if we refuse to act. That pattern has burdened us with our current government mess.

It’s true that curbing US emissions alone won’t solve the problem. However, we buy more stuff than anybody else. So, if we take responsibility for the global warming implications of what we buy from all sources, both foreign and domestic, we in the US can have a huge impact.

Also, from my wonderful conservative parents, I learned that taking personal responsibility doesn’t depend on others doing so. They wouldn’t buy the “But everybody does it” excuse. Neither should we.

Posted 416 days ago.

Kendall78

I'm afraid that one day the Govt will make the decision and force everyday citizens into curbing any pollution they produce.

One sad fact is that (unlike what some on the far right may feel) the US isn't the world or even that big a part of it. Nations like China, India and Russia produce a huge amount of air pollution that effects the atmosphere. If we cut off our pollution, it won't matter much if those other nations don't.

Posted 416 days ago.

harryanderson

A carbon tax isn’t my preferred solution. I’d rather encourage people to take personal responsibility for their own actions and voluntarily reduce their carbon emissions. If we don’t take responsibility, we’ll cede more of our freedom to government. In 9th grade Civics, they taught us that freedom must be accompanied by responsibility. That’s why I say the counter climate change movement plays into the hands of big-government socialists.

But, if people refuse to take responsibility, we might have to accept a revenue-neutral carbon tax. It beats other government actions, like rationing and cap-and-trade.

Posted 416 days ago.

harryanderson

Like I said, even the oil companies call for a tax on carbon dioxide emissions. Addressing climate change is an issue conservatives should embrace. The dean of current conservative economic policy, Art Laffer, embraces it.

Laffer pioneered “supply-side” economics. He served on Ronald Reagan’s Economic Policy Advisory Board from 1981 to 1989. In an article co-authored by S.C. Republican Congressman Bob Inglis, Laffer wrote:

“We need to impose a tax on the thing we want less of (carbon dioxide) and reduce taxes on the things we want more of (income and jobs). A carbon tax would attach the national security and environmental costs to carbon-based fuels like oil, causing the market to recognize the price of these negative externalities.”

ht tp://w ww.nytimes.co m/2008/12/28/opinion/28inglis.html?_r=0

Laffer and many other conservative stalwarts who argue for a carbon tax insist it be offset by tax reductions on “income and jobs.”

Posted 416 days ago.

Kendall78

It will be interesting to see how the better readings show the state of the world and how the deniers will lose a talking point.

Posted 416 days ago.

harryanderson

Speaking of sorting through the noise:

Like Fox News reported, major European oil companies, in acknowledging the threat from carbon emissions, are calling for a tax on them. This phenomenon isn’t confined to European oil companies.

Texas-based Exxon, the western world’s largest oil company, more than six years ago called for a carbon tax, according to the Wall St. Journal in January, 2009:

“The chief executive of Exxon Mobil Corp. for the first time called on Congress to enact a tax on greenhouse-gas emissions in order to fight global warming.”

htt p://ww w.wsj.co m/articles/SB123146091530566335

Even oil companies, who will suffer if we reduce carbon emissions, won’t listen to the counter climate change propaganda movement’s noise.

Posted 416 days ago.

Kendall78

Convenient? Years of putting up with believers in a hiatus isn't convenient.

Posted 416 days ago.

Kendall78

If you want to talk about me so much, how about you start a forum on that to satisfy your obsession.

Posted 416 days ago.

Kendall78

Read the article and then you'll know. I can't keep spoonfeeding you this all day.

Posted 416 days ago.

Kendall78

According to the report (if you read it you would know this) the previous measurements from buoys were giving an erroneous idea of a hiatus. Revised measurements show that warming has never stopped.

Posted 416 days ago.

Kendall78

Focus, what is the problem with trying to get the most precise readings when doing science?

Posted 416 days ago.

Kendall78

"so there is no sense in finding a quote"

And yet, you do find quotes. Hmm, are you confused again?

Back on topic which is climate change and not you and me. What problem is there with trying to get the most precise readings that a person can get?

Posted 417 days ago.

Kendall78

'Nature Conservancy Study Shows Appalachian Mountains To Be A Climate Change 'Stronghold'

Interesting little article for anyone to check out: w w w.nature.o rg/newsfeatures/pressreleases/scientists-locate-natural-strongholds-that-could-protect-nature-in-the-face.x m l

Posted 417 days ago.

Kendall78

"But I do appreciate that you have admitted there has been a HIATUS in warming.."

Perhaps you could back that up by giving a direct quote where I said that and not quoting another. I bet you can't and thanks to that little trap I laid last week, I know you can go back to look ;)

Posted 417 days ago.

Kendall78

I take it you are attempting to avoid real discussion about the topic by trying to make this about you and I? Nope..not going to work.

If you are against the use of buoys, sailors and whatnot to measure temperature...how do you propose that people find out what's going on with the world?

Posted 417 days ago.
 
 
 
 

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