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11 minutes ago.
by mythravere
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Thankfully, the anti-science propaganda campaign surrounding man-made climate change seems to have lost some of its effect.

Are you seeing storm clouds on the horizon? Two recent studies suggest that the latest anti-science campaign is following its forerunners--the propaganda campaigns attempting to refute science that tobacco causes cancer, that CFC's caused the hole in the ozone layer, and so on—into oblivion. Global warming denial seems to have climbed to a peak in 2010, and global warming acceptance is now climbing. This bodes well for rational public policy.

 
 

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Kendall78

Actually, wasn't those theories from the 70's I thought?

As I said, it's best to look at the big picture and not the smaller scale. It benefits the opposition to look at the smaller scale time frames because they can claim a plateau when their isn't one.

Posted 30 days ago.

JoeBlow

But if I remember right over 20 years ago, I believe in the 80's the data showed global cooling, the next coming of an Ice Age.

Posted 30 days ago.

Kendall78

That's what the opposition does all the time.

The best thing to do is to look at the date range as large as one is able to.

If done in that manner, it becomes quite apparent that the global temperature is rising.

Posted 30 days ago.

JoeBlow

So what you are saying is anyone can adjust a date range down or up to prove either person's agenda.

Posted 30 days ago.

Kendall78

@Joe- could be but the increase in global temperatures seem to negate that possibility.

The reason I said it in that manner is there one's on the other side of the fence tend to say that there is no warming the previous 18 or so years. This isn't true and when one takes the previous 20 years and comapares it through the past century, one can see the temperature does rise globally.

Posted 30 days ago.

Kendall78

That is exactly correct Myth. That is why I don't play his game anymore but rather show how ignorant he is.

The evidence is laid out in so many places, spoon feeding Tired is a waste of time since he'll just spit it up. His delicate tummy can't handle it.

Posted 30 days ago.

JoeBlow

When you say the last 20 years were hotter than the previous 20 years, couldn't the previous 20 years have been unusually cooler?

Posted 30 days ago.

mythravere

Like I said before. Anything we put on the table you'll just sweep it onto the floor as soon as its laid out and laugh and holler that its a hoax without considering any of it.

The games up. You've proven one thing.

You aren't interested in the truth!

Not one iota.

This isn't an issue of whether the facts are right or wrong for you.

You opinion was predetermined before this debate even began and it can not be swayed.

Posted 30 days ago.

mythravere

Proof has been offered and laid out in detail on the previous pages.

Its not that it's false..it's that you don't want to believe it.

Posted 30 days ago.

Kendall78

"If you cannot prove it is different then just admit it."

I have proved and many others have on here. Please reference the rest of this thread for the information.

As for the burden of proof...those that say global warming is in part effected by man has proven themselves to be true.

However, the other side of the argument (You) have made a claim it is a natural occurance and is not unique. This should be easy for you to prove if it is true.

Posted 30 days ago.

Kendall78

"I claim that there is nothing but a natural cycle just as there has always been"

So it should be easy to show this to be factually true for you then. I am certain there is lots of information you could cite to show this is true.

This is your chance Tired. If you can prove this is just a natural cycle and their is no deviation from the norm...then you will show man made global warming is false.

Good luck.

Posted 30 days ago.

Ohwiseone

Climate change - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

en.wikipedia. org/wiki/Climate_change

Posted 30 days ago.

Ohwiseone

Deny all you want but most say its there and its not going away !

Posted 30 days ago.

Ohwiseone

Nevertheless, there is a strong, credible body of evidence, based on multiple lines of research, documenting that climate is changing and that these changes are in large part caused by human activities. While much remains to be learned, the core phenomenon, scientific questions, and hypotheses have been examined thoroughly and have stood firm in the face of serious scientific debate and careful evaluation of alternative explanations.”

— United States National Research Council, Advancing the Science of Climate Change

Posted 30 days ago.

Ohwiseone

76 out of 79 climatologists who "listed climate science as their area of expertise and who also have published more than 50% of their recent peer-reviewed papers on the subject of climate change" believe that mean global temperatures have risen compared to pre-1800s levels, and 75 out of 77 believe that human activity is a significant factor in changing mean global temperatures.

Posted 30 days ago.

Kendall78

To recap, Tired claims that the reason for the current heating of the Earth is that it's part of the natural cycle of the planet.

He offers no facts to support this claim in any way. This is counter the notion that mankind is effecting the planet, which is funny since Tired has said that mankind can effect the Ozone Layer.

Posted 30 days ago.

Kendall78

Of course you don't have to prove that Tired, people can observe the illusion of the Sun setting everyday.

But, one cannot observe the positive statement you made saying that the current heating cycle of the Earth is like the past.

Now you can either provide proof or admit you are unable.

Posted 30 days ago.

Kendall78

I am sorry you do not like it that when you make a positive claim that you should back it up.

So under the circumstances, you are unable to prove that the current cycle is anything like the past cycles? Therefor the current cycle could be way off kilter from the norm for all YOU know.

Posted 30 days ago.

Kendall78

You posted that mankind effects the Ozone layer and therefor effects the way the planet absorbs heat.

Were you lying Tired or do you believe that?

Posted 30 days ago.

Kendall78

"Because Algore says is NOT proof just saying"

I agree. Why mention that again?

Posted 30 days ago.
 
 
 
 

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