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157 days ago.
by slinky
harryanderson
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Thankfully, the anti-science propaganda campaign surrounding man-made climate change seems to have lost some of its effect.

Are you seeing storm clouds on the horizon? Two recent studies suggest that the latest anti-science campaign is following its forerunners--the propaganda campaigns attempting to refute science that tobacco causes cancer, that CFC's caused the hole in the ozone layer, and so on—into oblivion. Global warming denial seems to have climbed to a peak in 2010, and global warming acceptance is now climbing. This bodes well for rational public policy.

 
 

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harryanderson

Forgot the link.

htt p://ww w.weeklystandard.co m/articles/what-catastrophe_773268.html?page

Posted 375 days ago.

harryanderson

“When an issue becomes a vital part of a political agenda, as is the case with climate, then the politically desired position becomes a goal rather than a consequence of scientific research.”

And does Lindzen have a political agenda?

According to the Weekly Standard, yes.

“One frustrating feature of the climate debate is that people’s outlook on global warming usually correlates with their political views. So if a person wants low taxes and restrictions on abortion, he probably isn’t worried about climate change. And if a person supports gay marriage and raising the minimum wage, he most likely thinks the threat from global warming warrants costly public-policy remedies. And of course, even though Lindzen is an accomplished climate scientist, he has his own political outlook—a conservative one.”

Posted 375 days ago.

Kunectdots

I'll forward your concerns to China.

1.4 billion people laughing can probably be heard all the way back here.

h ttp://w ww.worldometers.i nfo/world-population/china-population/

Posted 376 days ago.

harryanderson

“When an issue becomes a vital part of a political agenda, as is the case with climate, then the politically desired position becomes a goal rather than a consequence of scientific research.”

BINGO! The issue has become part of political agendas, so that many people mistrust the scientific conclusions of a large majority of the world’s climate scientists.

Hopefully, the counter climate change propaganda movement that has caused this irrational mistrust will soon fade away. After all, they’ve even lost the support of the big oil companies.

Seems like Lindzen and I agree on a lot of things. Thanks for giving me the forum.

Posted 376 days ago.

harryanderson

“MIT Professor Richard Lindzen, a leading figure in the climate change movement, pointed out the absurdity of blaming every weather event on global warming and climate change.”

Lindzen nails it here, too. It is absurd to blame every warm spell on global warming. It’s equally absurd to cite every cold spell as evidence that global warming has stopped.

Posted 376 days ago.

harryanderson

“The changes that have occurred due to global warning are too small to account for,”

He’s right here, too. The changes so far have been minor. However, almost every climate scientist (Lindzen being one of a few outliers) says the future changes will be significant.

Posted 376 days ago.

harryanderson

“Even many of the people who are supportive of sounding the global warning alarm back off from catastrophism. It’s the politicians and the green movement that like to portray catastrophe.”

Correct. That’s why we should listen to the scientists, not politicians like Jim Inhofe or the “green movement,” whoever that is. And scientists, even Lindzen, almost universally “support the theory of man-made global warming.”

Richard Lindzen’s words on climate science are worthy of serious consideration. Whenever he talks about the science, we learn he, as stillhere put it, “supports the theory of global warming.”

And I trust Lindzen’s word on the science more than I trust his word on the politics. He’s a scientist, not a politician.

Posted 376 days ago.

harryanderson

Here’s Dr. Lindzen’s attitude toward those who think global warming “has nothing to do with CO2.”

"Dr. Lindzen accepts the elementary tenets of climate science. He agrees that carbon dioxide is a greenhouse gas, calling people who dispute that point 'nutty.'”

“h ttp://w ww.nytimes.c om/2012/05/01/science/earth/clouds-effect-on-climate-change-is-last-bastion-for-dissenters.html?pagewanted=3&_r=0

Posted 376 days ago.

harryanderson

Here’s an example of straight talk from a scientist who thinks the effects of CO2 may not lead to drastic disruptions.

“The burning of oil, gas, and especially coal pumps carbon dioxide and other gases into the atmosphere, where they allow the sun’s heat to penetrate to the Earth’s surface but impede its escape, thus causing the lower atmosphere and the Earth’s surface to warm. Essentially everybody, Lindzen included, agrees.”

htt p://ww w.weeklystandard.co m/articles/what-catastrophe_773268.html?page=1

While Dr. Lindzen disagrees with most climate scientists on the magnitude of the effect, he agrees that CO2 “(causes) the lower atmosphere and the Earth’s surface to warm.”

Posted 376 days ago.

Kunectdots

So, when does the dispelling start?

Posted 376 days ago.

harryanderson

"LOLOLOL what did you blame the 1880 record on Harry? SUVs?"

1880 wasn't the record for the first six months; it was the year the records started. 2010 was the hottest first six months before 2015.

Posted 377 days ago.

harryanderson

From the same National Geographic article I cited in my previous post:

“As the graphs on this page show, the higher temperatures have not been consistent across the globe. Lower temperatures have been reported in some areas, including part of the Northeast and Midwest in the United States, which suffered under a particularly severe winter. But much more of the planet has been warmer, driving the overall trend.

“California, for instance, has seen record heat, exacerbating drought.”

Posted 377 days ago.

harryanderson

“The American East and Southern coasts haven't seen so much of YOUR problem this year, Gore S-ucker.”

That post illustrates the desperation of the counter climate change propagandists when they try to deal with the data.

“The American East and Southern coasts” make up only a tiny fraction of the earth. When we look at the whole earth, here’s what we find:

“During the first six months of 2015, average land and sea temperatures were 1.53°F (0.85°C) above the 20th century average. That beats the previous record for the same period since 1880 (2010) by 0.16°F (0.09°C).”

htt p://news.nationalgeographic.co m/2015/07/071524-this-year-may-be-hottest-ever/

Posted 377 days ago.

Kunectdots

The American East and Southern coasts haven't seen so much of YOUR "problem" this year, Gore S-ucker.

Posted 377 days ago.

RANDOM21

MOTHRA

Posted 378 days ago.

Kunectdots

I'd say. "It's happened before because there's nothing new under the sun". The sun being the culprit in ALL THINGS weather related there, Mr. Gore.

Posted 378 days ago.

Kendall78

I think you are under the erroneous notion that I don't think Hillary has lied.

My original point is that it is funny how the Far Right picks and chooses what polls they agree with and which they ignore.

Posted 396 days ago.

Kendall78

Sure it doesn't... Sure.

Posted 396 days ago.

Kendall78

"That’s a 53 percent majority against the president’s position."

Lol, who ever voted for him in the last election? Seems that there are so many that hate him but yet he won.

Guess most haters are just lazy when it comes to voting.

Posted 396 days ago.

Kendall78

Still....facts don't need to be selling to be what they are...facts.

Posted 396 days ago.
 
 
 
 

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