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4 days ago.
by mythravere
harryanderson
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Thankfully, the anti-science propaganda campaign surrounding man-made climate change seems to have lost some of its effect.

Are you seeing storm clouds on the horizon? Two recent studies suggest that the latest anti-science campaign is following its forerunners--the propaganda campaigns attempting to refute science that tobacco causes cancer, that CFC's caused the hole in the ozone layer, and so on—into oblivion. Global warming denial seems to have climbed to a peak in 2010, and global warming acceptance is now climbing. This bodes well for rational public policy.

 
 

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mythravere

Coal was on the decline before this push to reduce emissions was even thought of.

Know why?

There is only so much of it that can be mined. Simple as that.

Imagine the shock and outrage these war on coal acolytes would have had when one of the coal industry's biggest customers moved in mass away from coal use had they been around when it happened.

That industry would have been the railroads. Faced with an all around easier to use and more economical fuel the railroads abandoned steam power very quickly. Not all steam engines were powered by coal. Some were oil fired. And the maintenance on a steam locomotive was far more intensive.

But market forces caused the movement away from steam power for locomotives.

Market forces will also cause the movement away from coal to cheaper and more economical gas or even nuclear. Its happening right now.

Posted 4 days ago.

harryanderson

Here's the absurd argument Tiredofit wants us to accept: The world's largest oil companies "play ball" with the so-called global warming hoax.

I'm laughing so hard I can barely type.

Posted 4 days ago.

harryanderson

We all need to realize what this says. Despite the loud screams about a war on coal, the coal industry, and Central Appalachian coal in particular, is doomed by freemarket forces.

Posted 4 days ago.

harryanderson

Thanks for posting that opinion piece, Tiredofit. It makes a very important point we need to consider.

The author writes, "And coal? Here’s where the global warming regulatory crowd at EPA are doing all they can to help the Big Oil & Gas guys, whether they asked for it or not. Then again, the EPA probably isn’t the coal industry’s biggest problem anyway, and is only hastening its inevitable decline. A greater adversary resides in the free market form of that cheaper, cleaner and abundant natural gas."

Notice what it says: It says the EPA's main way of aiding the Oil and Gas industry is by its so-called war on coal. However, coal is in "inevitable decline" even without EPA regulations.

Posted 4 days ago.

Tiredofit

How Big Oil Benefits From Global Warming AlarmismFORBES

When the govt can use the EPA like a weapon, of course the companies play ball,

Posted 4 days ago.

harryanderson

There's four to draw to! They know what's happening.

And they've been pulling their funding from the Counter Climate Change Movement.

"Meanwhile the traceable cash flow from more traditional sources, such as Koch Industries and ExxonMobil, has disappeared."

ww w.scientificamerican.co m/article/dark-money-funds-climate-change-denial-effort/

Posted 4 days ago.

harryanderson

Shell says, "CO2 emissions must be reduced to avoid serious climate change."

ww w.shell.co m/global/environment-society/environment/climate-change.html

BP says the latest IPCC report "makes clear that limiting climate change will require substantial and sustained reductions of GHG emissions."

"The scale of this challenge is such that governments must act by setting a clear, stable and effective carbon policy framework."

ww w.bp.co m/en/global/corporate/sustainability/the-energy-future/climate-change.html

Exxon-Mobile, Chevron, Shell, and BP have all investigated the science and agree that we need to mitigate the risks.

Posted 4 days ago.

harryanderson

Some of the world's largest fossil fuel companies also recognize that GJG emissions are changing the climate.

"ExxonMobil believes that it is prudent to develop and implement strategies that address the risks to society associated with increasing GHG emissions."

h ttp://corporate.exxonmobil.c om/en/environment/climate-change/climate-policy

"At Chevron, we recognize and share the concerns of governments and the public about climate change. The use of fossil fuels to meet the world's energy needs is a contributor to an increase in greenhouse gases (GHGs)—mainly carbon dioxide (CO2 )—in the Earth's atmosphere."

w ww.chevron.c om/globalissues/climatechange/

Posted 4 days ago.

Kendall78

Here's the link if you are interested: ww w.ipsosglobaltrends.c om/environment.h tm l

Posted 7 days ago.

Kendall78

5. 54% of Americans believe that, "the climate change we are currently seeing is largely the result of human activity."

32% do not agree that man is not involved.

Isn't that strange? If 52% of Americans believe that global warming is a natural event..shouldn't those that disagree that man is involved be much higher than 32%?

That's the thing about surveys..it tells you what the general population thinks....not what reality is.

Posted 7 days ago.

Kendall78

Ipsos has done a survey on the theme of global warming and the results aren't that shocking. Keep in mind though that survey results do not confirm or deny reality, they just show us how the general public sees reality.

1. Out of the countries surveyed, only 57% of Americans believe that we are heading toward environmental disaster if we do not change our habits. 91% of Chinese believe we are.

2. 50% of Americans believe that the govt is using environmental issues as an excuse to raise taxes. The most that believe this is Spain at 73%

3. 43% of Americans believe that, "scientists don't really know what they are talking about on environmental issues."

4. 52% of Americans believe, "the climate change we are currently seeing is a natural phenomenon that happens from time to time". The general percentage of countries fall at 41% on this question.

Posted 7 days ago.

Kendall78

Yeah, but I always like to point out his errors because some poor fool out there might believe his factless trollisms.

Posted 8 days ago.

mythravere

Even if he believes what he says he'll never back up anything he says.

His whole point is to trigger a response from one of us.

Just for giggles.

Posted 8 days ago.

mythravere

Actually Tiredofit also stated a while back that there is no warming at all.

He's just a troll. He's just doing this for kicks.

Posted 8 days ago.

Kendall78

Let's break this down into simpler bites for you Tired.

1. No one has claimed that all climate change is due to mankind.

2. The average temperature for the entire planet is warmer now than it was 100 years ago.

3. The average temperature of the planet for the last 17 years is hotter than the previous 17 years.

4. CO2 is a greehouse gas capable of trapping heat.

You yourself have admitted that the world is getting warmer and that the climate changes. Why are you so against the facts that man can effect the global climate?

Posted 8 days ago.

Kendall78

If NASA says that Mars and Pluto are warming up....do you beleieve them?

Yes or No

If NASA says that CO2 contributes to climate change...do you believe them?

Yes or No

Posted 8 days ago.

Kendall78

"just popped in to add a few facts"

You have given no facts.

And one should not declare victory when they haven't done anything ;)

Posted 8 days ago.

Kendall78

"Appealling to authority"

Would you even accept data from that authority?

Posted 8 days ago.

Tiredofit

Not gonna feed your need to argue Jimmy, just popped in to add a few facts and wind your watch a little. Mission accomplished, as you were.

Posted 8 days ago.

Tiredofit

You have no proof that man is causing any change in climate, none zero nadda zip. You can keep repeating your lies but it does not make it so.

Posted 8 days ago.
 
 
 
 

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