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455 days ago.
by burningdownthehouse
Tinfoilhat
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There is no movement in the United States to kill people in the name of second amendment rights but there is a movement that has murdered 1,200,000 children in the name of women's rights

The silver tongued talking heads on the magic living room box would have us believe that the country is in an uproar over the alleged murders of 26 people at an elementary school in Newtown, CT. An investigation is still pending. But the allegations are flying. Generally speaking, the anti-constitutionalists who don't own guns, have never fired guns and certainly have limited ability to identify them, would be willing to take away one of our most important constitutional right because they believe it would make them more "safe". None of the gun violence in America has been committed in the name of gun rights. Also, keep in mind, these anti-constitutionalists generally are of the same demographic that also believes that murdering 1,200,000 American children in 2012 in the name of women's rights is acceptable.

 
 

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Myth- i believe barry understood that the support for single payer just wasn't there.

Posted 499 days ago.

mythravere

But you know its all for naught anyways.

I dont know what your take is but I dont feel we have any real say in who is president and what policies are pursued anyways.

The corporate world makes those decisions.

Like why Obama abandoned the single payer system in favor of a system that puts a middle man in between them and their doctor. Or any of the many other ways our health system can be improved etc.

Posted 500 days ago.

mythravere

There are so many things that irk me about the right its not even funny.

Take for example the Terror Alert level. That was used for political reasons!

Its disgusting to think that a group of people like that lead us. The people of this nation are better than that.

The right does champion things I believe in but when the when they deliver the message they come off as a55holes.

I dont listen to that type. Inform me but dont dictate to me.

As for congress and where the info they used to declare war came from. I ask who laid that out for us all to consider? Who's leadership failed to see the truth and chose to push the path of war anyways?

If Obama can be blamed for all that is wrong with this country right now then whats good for the goose is good for the gander.

Posted 500 days ago.

mythravere

Oh and the way they handle anyone who believes differently than they do or disagrees with them.

Its like those people to them are traitorous enemies.

Its really disgusting to me.

Simply put is that I CAN"T support the right. I find the ideology wanting.

Posted 500 days ago.

mythravere

I don't like the rights foreign policy choices. I don't like how they handle the topic of personal freedom. I don't like how they handle the topic of freedom of belief. I don't like how they handle the topic of energy and the environment.

I don't like how they put forth their message. I don't like the hard right shift the party has taken since Obama took office. I really don't like idea they float that the left is some kind of occupying force of evil. Along with that I will add the way in which they have polluted the political arena in a vitriolic manner.

Posted 500 days ago.

mythravere

Losing the debate? Sorry but I dont feel that I am losing anything.

What I mentioned is pertinent to the debate. After all when discussing Iraq's WMD's one has to acknowledge the sources for some of Iraq's chemical and biological weapons.

And you still haven't figured out that I am primarily focused on the right in my criticisms.

The left has its issues that concern me. But when it comes down to what I hold dear the right threatens more of that than the left.

I find myself more against the right than the left.

Posted 500 days ago.

Tiredofit

Myth feel free to change the subject any time you are losing the debate. We were talking about WMD claims and the Iraq war. Now you shift the debate when I clearly demonstrated you were wrong

Posted 500 days ago.

Tiredofit

You seem to be better at making hollow threats than trying to debate the adults in the room.

Posted 500 days ago.

mythravere

Who armed and trained the mujahideen back in the 80s in response to the Soviet actions in Afghanistan? That resulted in the blowback that was 9-11-01?

Posted 500 days ago.

Tiredofit

You missed the point again Nancy. Shouldn't come as a suprise.

Posted 500 days ago.

Tiredofit

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs." Letter to President Clinton. - (D) Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, others, Oct. 9, 1998

Im sorry NANCY but you are as misguided as ever. Who was president in 1998???? Gee you story has a lot of holes in it. Seems the liar and fraud is YOU.

Posted 500 days ago.

Tiredofit

Was it a deliberate lie to start a war? I don't know. However when you seek to narrow your blame to one wing of the spectrum you do lose credibility.

Posted 500 days ago.

Tiredofit

Myth cogress did not get the Intel from George Bush. Rather these very congress persons sat on committees that gathered information. The left likes to spread the bogus notion that somehow Bush fooled the congress which just does mot stand up to close scrutiny, but liars don't let fact stand in the way of a good story.

Posted 500 days ago.

mythravere

Just for the sake of clarity Tinfoilhat or should I say R1KRA8. I am not opposed to your second amendment rights.

I fully believe in them. But I feel that our second amendment rights could do with some check and balances to insure that only the right type can get a hold of certain weapons.

But I will say this. More often than not those who champion second amendment rights have defended those rights in a manner that actually makes the people against it say "hey this is why they shouldn't have guns".

In defending those rights a calm demeanor has to be kept. People like Ted Nugent are going about it wrong.

Posted 500 days ago.

mythravere

Thats a topic that everyone should heed closely. Namely our digital footprint. But anyhoo.

Congress did authorize the war. But that authorization came from being informed with false information. Additionally the administration at the time had full control of the momentum going into any possible action after 9-11.

The war in Iraq was something they wanted. And I dont feel one bit it was for the reasons mentioned. I honestly feel it was a strategic play on oil.

Posted 500 days ago.

Tiredofit

Well let me rephrase, I am pretty sure that I know, but I really dont give two craps about anyones personal info. THe only reason I bring it up, is that you have to be very careful because there are some real NUTS out there.

Posted 501 days ago.

Tiredofit

Well Myth I know your name and what city you live in. You shouldnt use this handle everywhere as it does show up and personal information that you might not want out is easily obtainable. Just a tip from your Uncle Tired. I have no plans to reveal anything about you but I am just saying, you have put that stuff out there for anyone that knows how to find it.

Posted 501 days ago.

mythravere

Well tinfoil I see you want to make this personal. Of course your identity is safe with me. I'm assuming you or one of your other handles knows me. But rest assured I won't stoop so low as to compromise someone's identity if they don't want it revealed.

But then again maybe you work for the paper and are drawing the wrong conclusions to who's identity you think you have.

But maybe just maybe you are making a veiled threat of revealing who I might be by posting the way you did.

It's a pretty underhanded way of doing things. But alas I ain't going nowhere.

Posted 501 days ago.

Tiredofit

Congress gave the authority to go to war Myth as much as you wish to blame the right only. I gave you more credit for being intellectually honest than perhaps I should have.

Posted 501 days ago.

mythravere

Thats why when the right utters anything about saving lives I just laugh.

The right supports an entity that is by and large one of the biggest death dealers on this planet.

Take care of that and then I'll take your words of saving lives seriously.

Posted 501 days ago.
 
 
 
 

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