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544 days ago.
by burningdownthehouse
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There is no movement in the United States to kill people in the name of second amendment rights but there is a movement that has murdered 1,200,000 children in the name of women's rights

The silver tongued talking heads on the magic living room box would have us believe that the country is in an uproar over the alleged murders of 26 people at an elementary school in Newtown, CT. An investigation is still pending. But the allegations are flying. Generally speaking, the anti-constitutionalists who don't own guns, have never fired guns and certainly have limited ability to identify them, would be willing to take away one of our most important constitutional right because they believe it would make them more "safe". None of the gun violence in America has been committed in the name of gun rights. Also, keep in mind, these anti-constitutionalists generally are of the same demographic that also believes that murdering 1,200,000 American children in 2012 in the name of women's rights is acceptable.

 
 

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harryanderson

Tiredofit,

The words I quoted aren't mine. If you suggest those words represent fraudulent thinking, I suggest you take it up with their author.

Posted 587 days ago.

mythravere

Tiredofit I dont know if we are the highest forms of thought. There are men who say they know both past and present. But I have to question whether or not those men are divinely connected or just literally making it up.

Even if there is a creator I highly doubt anyone on this ball of dirt has a bead on what its all about.

But think about this. The order of the universe is extremely complicated from the universe itself down to the quantum level.

Science is nothing more than figuring out how god built it all and made it work.

The overall point is that there is no way of knowing if god is real. The evidence as I see it is inconclusive.

But you can make a leap of faith. But that is the human trait of wanting there to be purpose in everything coming into play.

Blind faith has never been for me.

Posted 587 days ago.

harryanderson

As Tiredofit wrote,

"Mock all you will..."

The Bible has some to say about mockers and scoffers, as well, but I won't point them out here. You can look that up yourself.

Posted 587 days ago.

harryanderson

Tiredofit,

You wrote of Myth’s belief that anthropogenic atmospheric carbon is changing the climate:

“Myth your basic flaw in reason is your atheist bent. God is in charge and has always been so. Mock as you will but you and I are but tiny specks matter in this universe and there is nothing you or I can do to control the climate. It is arrogant to think otherwise.”

Tiredofit, the basic flaw in your reasoning is that the Bible contradicts it.

As I have pointed out, God gave man “dominion…over all of the earth.” (Gen.1:26) The Bible foretells that God will retake dominion when man has made conditions so bad that “no flesh should be saved” were God not to “shorten those days.” (Matt. 24:22) And at that time God will “destroy them which destroy the earth.” (Rev. 11:18)

Clearly God has given man the ingenuity to “destroy the earth.”

Posted 587 days ago.

mythravere

I didn't say you had a primitive mind. What I was saying is that religion(most of it anyways) can trace its beginnings back to primitive peoples. People who had little to no understanding of our place in the cosmos.

Have you ever questioned your beliefs. If not. What stops you from doing that? Eternal damnation?

You see I question things and if find them false I don't give them any weight. Additionally if I find myself unable to draw any conclusion I simply suspend any judgement.

An almighty creator? Not enough information to discern the truth. Although there is a whole lot of evidence that points to there not being a creator there is still a lot we dont know and cant know.

When you had in the human need for understanding whats the truth and whats just made up?

Posted 587 days ago.

mythravere

That occurred naturally. And no I dont deny the earth goes through cycles. But you are just arguing whats to blame for the current climate change. That its happening matters more than the cause.

I think it foolish to think that anything can be done to stop it. That would take world wide cooperation. But if we don't prepare for the potential effects of it we are setting ourselves up for disaster.

We are specks in a vast universe. Its arrogant to think we are some beings special project. That way of thinking being a construct of primitive minds.

Im sure a civilization if it exists across the universe in some other galaxy thinks they are the center of the universe too.

Posted 587 days ago.

mythravere

Government control isn't the right way of putting it. What are we going to do if the grain growing states suffer a massive prolonged drought? Or the flip side get too much rain?

What if we get persistent destructive storms year after year in say our area?

What I am saying is that no one is making any plans to deal with anything related to climate change and living with the effects of it.

We can unfortunately argue about the cause of it. But not that is happening.

I would like the GOP bring that to the table.

I mean there is so much talk about defending this nation coming from the right but it will be pointless if we are all starving to death.

We have to protect ourselves from food disruptions and disruptions in our water supply. Yet you see hardly anyone on the right talking about that.

Is that because there isn't any well moneyed lobby buy support for it? Like the defense industry?

Posted 587 days ago.

mythravere

Well if you aren't anti-science then why in the world are do you think global warming is a scam?

The science surrounding it and in particular the release of millions of tons of carbon into the atmosphere since the industrial revolution and its associated effects just can not be denied if you are honest about it.

Another thing that can not be denied is that there are interests who have a well honed ability to cast doubt on the issue and lots of money with which to do so.

Are you thoughts on global warming the result of such actions?

Posted 587 days ago.

mythravere

The Thank You, Art!!!! Thread at the Marietta Times is quite a hoot.

Posted 587 days ago.

mythravere

Let me add that the reason I post is for one thing I like to argue. I am opinionated. I am concerned about my country. But I am also frustrated as heck that there is little that I can do make a difference.

Sure I could vote. But what is the point to doing that when I feel that asides from the local level there is no one worth voting for?

So in a sense these forums on here which have been rather calm as of late are an outlet.

My posts cant reflect what type of person I am. Only thoughts and ideas I have. Some of which never get brought up in conversation outside of here.

I work with some people that are not engaged at all when it comes to the direction of this country. A person like that who is of no opinion makes for a poor choice in debate and your positions and thoughts will find no challenges from them.

Posted 587 days ago.

mythravere

I'd really like to know why you see it fit to compromise my anonymity.

If what I say angers you that much then you need to just ignore what I say because apparently you cant handle other peoples opinions.

Opinions I might add that are contained in posts that dont reflect my true demeanor or the totality of my thoughts.

Posted 587 days ago.

mythravere

Still working at Westbrook Tinfoil?

Posted 587 days ago.

mythravere

And as far as defense goes Ithink I dont feel we are seeing it take as big a back seat as you think.

But we can't try and spend ourselves into safety by allowing the expansion of this huge defense apparatus who's contractors and suppliers need for there to be a need for their services.

Doesn't it concern you that those entities might be apt to creating a need for their services?

And what about the effects of certain defense methods like the use of drones in creating more of what they are used to kill?

You can not deny that the use of drones might be making some people decide that we are their enemy.

Posted 587 days ago.

mythravere

Ithink honestly now how many ideological obstacles is the right trying to put up or keep up in front of people? Like thwarting cleaner energy development. Gay rights. And taking an anti-science stance in regards to climate change.

Business should not be hindered in anyway. But we've seen time and again that they dont care about hurting people to get a bigger payday. So they have to be kept in check to protect people.

J.P. Morgan is a perfect example.

Posted 587 days ago.

That's obstacles.

Also our defense would take it's place of importance again. It is not at all hard to list ways of improving our problems. Obama does not want to.

Posted 588 days ago.

We do not expect you to believe as we do. We expect you to be loyal to the constitution and abiuude by it if you want to reap the benefits of being an American. What conservatives would do for the economy is stop obstructing businesses with idealogical obstaces

Posted 588 days ago.

mythravere

Better yet make the case for me to adopt your beliefs.

Tell me why I should view liberals with disgust as you do.

Tell me why I should support policies that rams religious beliefs down peoples throats.

Tell me why I should support education policies like the ones in Texas that seeks to not teach critical thinking skills.

I am betting you'll cop out and say that if you dont understand now you never will.

But by golly you sure take issue to me and others like me not believing as you do.

One would think you'd want me coming over to your side and supporting your cause.

But you just cant sell it can you?

Posted 588 days ago.

mythravere

The big question I have is this. Given the ability to do what you feel is necessary to make this country right as you see it.

What would you guys do to make it right?

Since apparently everything liberal is wrong. How would you deal with the policies liberals bring to the table?

How would you deal with the liberal citizens of this country? How would you stop them and the policies they pursue?

Please tell me but I am betting none of you have the backbone to speak honestly on those questions.

The reason I ask that is that when one makes a claim that something is wrong and it shouldn't be done. A solution has to be in mind to deal with it if given the chance.

Posted 588 days ago.

mythravere

Tiredofit showed perfectly one issue I have with the right. Harry has the right to define his own values. So what does Tired do? Label him a fraud!

So I guess Harry isn't free to believe as he wishes?

Posted 588 days ago.

mythravere

Threats? Where?

Ithink you mentioned many things going wrong in this country but I have to ask would the GOP do any better? Not sure. But I sure as heck dont want to find out.

I cant trust them to do whats right. But more importantly I do not want to be lead by anyone who tells people they should leave this country.

I am just sick of this idea the right floats that everyone else is the problem therefor they should leave.

YOU KNOW WHAT? THIS IS MY COUNTRY TOO!

Who the heck do you people think you are? What gives you the right to foist such negative and hateful definitions on people who don't believe as you do and dont share exactly what you value?

Like saying the lefts goal is to destroy this country!

Why the phuck would someone want to destroy their home?

Posted 588 days ago.
 
 
 
 

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