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601 days ago.
by burningdownthehouse
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There is no movement in the United States to kill people in the name of second amendment rights but there is a movement that has murdered 1,200,000 children in the name of women's rights

The silver tongued talking heads on the magic living room box would have us believe that the country is in an uproar over the alleged murders of 26 people at an elementary school in Newtown, CT. An investigation is still pending. But the allegations are flying. Generally speaking, the anti-constitutionalists who don't own guns, have never fired guns and certainly have limited ability to identify them, would be willing to take away one of our most important constitutional right because they believe it would make them more "safe". None of the gun violence in America has been committed in the name of gun rights. Also, keep in mind, these anti-constitutionalists generally are of the same demographic that also believes that murdering 1,200,000 American children in 2012 in the name of women's rights is acceptable.

 
 

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mythravere

Here's a scenario to think about. Say that our annual precipitation becomes significantly less in our part of the country.

Lets say that the Ohio Rivers watershed starts getting less water to support current river levels and they start to drop all along its length. Now being that there are large cities along the river north of us and they use it for their purposes. What they take out will add to the river levels loss.

How could that effect us? Well for one thing a lower river will reduce the navigability of the river. Barges may not be able to be loaded out as much as now. Power plants may not be able to get as much water for cooling purposes. A lower Ohio would also effect the river level of the Mississippi. And Im sure you can guess the problems with that.

All I am saying is that we'd better start thinking or we by our own political instituted complacency will get bit hard if things like I mentioned happen.

I mean look a Lake Mead. The water level there has dropped.

Posted 643 days ago.

mythravere

The big point is that there is no denying that the planet is warming up for whatever reason.

The cause doesn't matter. We need to focus on how to live with it. Thats what I think anyways.

Our problem is that no one is talking about that. Someone has to bring that issue to the table or we may face serious trouble if weather patterns shift on us in a big way.

Additionally with the all the extra Co2 in the atmosphere the ocean being a big scrubber of Co2 from the air is becoming more acidic. I think its obvious the repercussions if we see mass die offs in fish stocks.

This is happening. There is no getting around it.

Posted 643 days ago.

mythravere

CO2 isn't pollution. But we have altered the earths ability to capture it by deforestation.

And I really dont understand why you think emissions would decrease due to the industrial revolution. We've cleaned up the soot and particulate emissions and other chemicals in emissions but very little CO2 is sequestered.

The big problem is if and when the tundras in the north give up the gases that is locked up in them. When the plant matter in them begins to decay we are going to see a massive amount of methane get released. That is far a worse greenhouse gas than CO2. Not to mention the subsidence that will take place in those northern areas. Alaska is already experiencing that to some degree.

Posted 643 days ago.

mythravere

It doesn't matter how much we reduce emissions if we don't have ways and means of dealing with shifting seasonal weather patterns and the effects that will have on our country.

We need to be flexible in our thinking when it comes to climate change. We need to be prepared to act quickly so that potential disruptions can be dealt with quickly and efficiently.

But that can't happen because we have the most do nothing government in our history.

Posted 643 days ago.

mythravere

I should have added that we are in an inter-glacial period. The Ice Age never really ended. Its just receded. The recession is troublesome because of what can potentially happen when the northern Ocean is free of ice during the summer. The water will absorb a lot more energy.

I predict that will seriously jack with the worlds weather patterns.

But just so its clear here's what I feel we should do about it. I am not sure if limiting carbon emissions and all that is put forth with that is the way to go. To me there are two courses of action. Both will be expensive. One we can shift away from a carbon based economy. And two we can try to adapt to the changes that are coming. The first will only work if the whole world is acting with the same goal. Fat chance on that happening. The second one seems to be the one we need to focus on.

Posted 643 days ago.

mythravere

I disagree with that. Because if we are at 4000 year average low then why have glaciers all across the planet and the northern ice cap melted off to historical lows?

There are glaciers that were around when I was born that are totally gone now.

That and scientists are noticing plants and animals moving northward along with an increased amount of plant growth in the northern latitudes.

This planet is warmer now than it was say during WW2 and even farther back.

Posted 644 days ago.

mythravere

The truth is also like a nasty tasting medicine. Sweeten it up and people may be more willing to take it.

Like I said before no one listens to an a55hole.

Posted 644 days ago.

mythravere

There are alarmists in everything! LOL!

But I agree with you on the media. I dont watch any of it.

But I must ask where you got the info pertaining to global temperature average.

Posted 644 days ago.

mythravere

Abortion lets talk about that. First let me say I get where each side is coming from. And I can respect both. But the way in which the message is conveyed from both sides just ticks each side off at each other. Therefor no rational debate takes place.

Republicans would do well to calm down what they say and present it in a different but more palatable manner. Appeal to abortion supporters by making the case the being against abortion isn't about being anti-choice but having a deep respect for life from the moment of conception until death. And that no body is wanting to limit choice but preserve precious life.

Yelling murderers just p1sses people off.

Posted 644 days ago.

mythravere

" You are allowing them to do so if you dont try and stop them."

How can I stop them when everyone else is slap fighting each other and thumbing their noses at each other?

When the lemmings run to the cliff the smart ones step the heck out of the stream and let everyone else dive off the cliff.

I'm just one guy caught in the current.

Posted 644 days ago.

mythravere

"Man thrives in warming cycles and suffers in cold cycles, that is a fact. We should embrace a warming trend."

We could very well do that. But we had better be on our A game if we do. Areas that are food growing regions now may not stay that way in warming earth.

Climate change can be also described as seasonal weather pattern disruption.

What if the Rocky Mountains started getting significant less snowfall. Do you know what that would mean for people who depend on the runoff to feed the rivers they get their water from.

Have you seen how low Lake Mead has been in recent years?

Simple examples of what I am talking about.

What if we had to real quickly build massive desalination plants to make fresh water and then pump it to our food growing regions because seasonal rainfall cant sustain the crop yields we need.

Is there any plan out there to deal with that? As far as I know no.

Posted 644 days ago.

harryanderson

I don't claim to be an expert on God. I do claim to read my Bible.

Posted 644 days ago.

mythravere

I dont support surrendering my liberties to anyone.

I dont view the government as evil. Its just loaded with idiots put in power by idiots.

Thats why I dont vote. I dont believe in the lesser of two evils. I have not once seen a candidate I can totally support.

You either strive for excellence or you wallow in mediocrity. And so goes our government. People set the bar way way too low when it comes to politicians.

There is a right way and wrong way to do things. Any other way and you're just cobbling things together.

Halfa55ing things may work for awhile but it will catch up with you. So why not do it right always. Measure twice cut once!

And so goes the government....

We got what we deserve.

Posted 644 days ago.

harryanderson

"SO MYTH by your own words, its possible for the climate to vary based on NATURAL causes and NOT CARBON. Yet you still persist on the notion that we are causing this warming (however mild) trend. How can you justify this."

That's easy to answer. A given condition may have more than one cause.

Posted 644 days ago.

mythravere

Now as for the Ice Ages. There are various theories as to why we came out of them. Some involve a change in oceanic currents due to a warming Antarctic. Earths wobble may have had a hand in it. Changes in the earths albedo.

There is a lot to read when it comes to ice ages. Both their causes and dissipations.

Look it up for yourself. Its pretty interesting.

Posted 644 days ago.

harryanderson

"Harry, I am not talking to or about you."

I'm cool with that.

Nevertheless, I will continue to post corrections when others post misrepresentations, especially misrepresentations about God.

And I decline your invitation to go elsewhere.

Posted 644 days ago.

mythravere

Government wouldn't be a problem if we had one that worked.

Nothing works when everyone is divided.

Al Gore I could give two sharts about. My belief in mans impact on the climate isn't based on him. I follow what the scientists are saying. I look at deviations in seasonal weather patterns. Above all I try to understand the science of why it is happening. Take for example that in earths history some of the hottest periods took place when the carbon content of the atmosphere was way higher than it is today. Then I take into account where that carbon went back then.

When mass extinctions took place how much carbon was pulled out of this planets carbon cycle? Where did that carbon go? Well we know where some of it went. We use if for energy. And by using it we are returning it back to the atmosphere.

Posted 644 days ago.

mythravere

When it comes to making decisions on courses of action I look at the facts and make the best possible choice.

Politicians do not do that. They dont do that because we the people dont force them to do that. We dont do that right there because we have allowed ourselves to become polarized.

Divide and conquer!

Posted 644 days ago.

mythravere

I do weigh things on merit. If someone tells me we are destroying this earth I say NO WE ARE NOT. But we are messing with the natural order of life in pretty significant ways. Take for example the testosterone level of men today. Its about 20% less than two decades ago. Why is that? My guess chemicals in the food we eat and the water along with the everyday objects we come into contact with.

We cant literally destroy the earth unless we build a massive bomb. But we can mess up the environment and the chemistry that makes life possible and degrade the ability of life to sustain itself on this planet. We can deplete our natural resources. We can be stupid and not come up with plans of action in the event of food supply disruptions. Although some will survive undoubtedly.

Posted 644 days ago.

harryanderson

That is, if you FEEL those words represent fraudulent thinking, I suggest you take it up with their author.

Posted 644 days ago.
 
 
 
 

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