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Camden-Clark responds to intervention

Says BCBS rejection shows lack of understanding

Jeffrey Saulton
POSTED: November 19, 2009

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PARKERSBURG - Mountain State Blue Cross Blue Shield recently urged the West Virginia Health Care Authority to reject an application from Camden-Clark Memorial Hospital to perform emergency percutaneous coronary intervention, also called Primary PCI, or emergency angioplasty, for emergency patients.

Camden-Clark Memorial Hospital CEO Mike King said the letter from Mountain State Blue Cross Blue Shield to the West Virginia Health Care Authority shows a lack of understanding by the insurer of the hospital's application.

"We are not asking to be allowed to have elective angioplasty or open heart surgery," King said. "This is for emergencies."

King said the two cardiac interventionists in Parkersburg will be able to provide full-time coverage at Camden-Clark. King said the cardiologists do not belong to one hospital or another, but are community physicians with medical staff privileges at Camden-Clark and St. Joseph's.

King said it is irrelevant that one of the cardiologists, Dr. Stafford Warren, lives in Charleston. He said Warren lives in Parkersburg when he is on call.

The goal to bring the patients closer to the treatment needed would be served by allowing emergency angioplasty at Camden-Clark, King said. The transfer of an emergency patient to another hospital may exceed 60 minutes, he said.

David McClure, vice president of Operations and Professional Services, said time would be lost in getting the angioplasty team in place at the other hospital. King added the transfer causes a duplication of charges for transport and treatment and exposes the patients to additional risks.

Both hospitals agree there should be more than two cardiac interventionists and Camden-Clark is working with Parkersburg Cardiac Associates to recruit cardiac interventionists to the area, King said. The practice has written a letter stating its willingness to participate in Camden-Clark's project if it is approved, he said.

In the letter Dr. David A. Gnegy states Parkersburg Cardiology Associates "would actively participate in the development and operations of the program, the training of the staff and the implementation of appropriate policies, procedures and protocols."

Greg Smith, director of marketing at Camden-Clark, said the hospital is making a small investment to provide the service in an emergency setting.

"The cost of the total project is $65,000, that's it," he said. "We already have a cath lab; the cath lab was in the north tower area; it's not a big expansion in the field to provide our patients with a service."

King said compared to the $65 million spent on the new south tower, the investment in the emergency angioplasty is small.

The hospital wants to provide a service so people won't have to try to diagnose themselves, Smith said.

Smith and King said Camden-Clark is the largest hospital in the area and the busiest emergency department with 43,309 visits in 2007. King said they project 30 to 48 emergency angioplasty procedures a year, less than one a week.

In the past the state has rejected arguments that an open heart surgery backup is needed, King said.

"A five-year pilot project by the authority showed primary angioplasty can be performed safely and effectively without on-site surgical backup for open heart," he said.

King noted the state approved the application for two Charleston-area hospitals, St. Francis and Thomas Memorial, to perform emergency angioplasty despite the presence of Charleston Area Medical Center. Blue Cross Blue Shield did not intervene in Charleston when the authority was considering the applications from the other hospital nor did it intervene in applications for the Beckley area, he said.

 
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900PAnDC
12-01-09 9:28 AM
"Practice makes perfect"; 'safety in numbers' all come to mind, though there's typically no perfection in Cardiac Cath. The complication rate is typically less than around .5% or less in the best of settings.

Statistically, the better setting would be where more procedures are performed.

Data reported by CCMH to ACC registry indicates that CCMH has 1% vascular complication, performs in the lower 15th percentile, at 601 of 695 institutions.

Given they receive most $$$ of three institutions for the same service, the reasonable course is for CCMH to concentrate on getting better.

A 1% complication rate may not sound bad, unless it's your spouse or parent whose vascular system needs an immediate repair because of the complication. For CCMH, that will be 1 or 2 persons annually.

thatsjustme
11-25-09 10:50 PM
so you're saying there is less risk to the insurer due to st joe having infrastructure in place and personnel with experience. you also believe it would be safer to transport a patient who needs emergency angioplasty than have it taken care of by ccmh on an emergency basis?

if i understand your position, i disagree. you referenced several "potential" issues against ccmh's request. yet you have listed no potential issues if the service is not granted to the ccmh emergency room. perhaps this reveals a bias against ccmh? not saying it does, just that it's a potential issue.

900PAnDC
11-25-09 2:19 PM
ALSO, if you drive only occasionally, you might statistically be more prone to being a less safe operator.

Statistically, practice makes 'perfect'; but in the Cardiac realm there's no 'perfect' just 'better'.

Thus, higher volume providers have lower measures of serious complications. AND, there's always complications. It's the nature of the procedure.

Complications don't necessarily translate to death. They typically mean more care, additional procedures, potential disability, more $$$ expenditure, and perhaps lower quality of life. Statisically foreseeable events.

The point is minimize the incidence via risk.

900PAnDC
11-25-09 2:09 PM
Re: lack of proper gear and personnel

IN OTHER WORDS, more cars or a new car won't make you a aafer driver.

900PAnDC
11-25-09 2:03 PM
Re: lack of proper gear and personnel

I kind of doubt it.

If they don't have equipment and staff, they shouldn't attempt. On the liability side, it's suicidal. So I'd venture that neither equipment or staff is a concern or the cause for current quality rankings. Most of it is procedural, following protocol and standard practices.

First place to look at such deficiencies is management's oversight of operations, where all fault comes to rest anyway.

There's the potential that 'best practices' may not have been implemented OR follow up measurement is not occurring to assure they are carried through.

There's also a potential that a program of internal measurement and correction may not be as substantial as it needs to be in order to yield a higher result.

There's also the potential that management thinks running third out of three is OK; no need for improvement exists.

Without really probing it with a quality audit, P&P review, staff interviews; no way to tell

thatsjustme
11-23-09 6:21 PM
is it possible that the low rating on cardiac admissions is somehow related to their lack of proper gear and personnel to deliver higher quality care?

900PAnDC
11-23-09 1:47 PM
If 'cheaper and better' are working now, why pull patients away from th other providers (Marrietta and St. Joseph)?

Remember, this is YOUR TAX DOLLARs at work. BCBS is not a big piece of the pie. Most of the $$$ is in Medicare and Medicaid. The PROFIT to the facility is from the Private Payor, like BCBS. EXCEPT from what I see, they aren't so much talking PRICE, more hung on QUALITY.

Our (your?) current Federal Data indicates PRICE and QUALITY in healthcare are not related. Service expansions need a quality infrastructure. CCMH isn't there yet.

thatsjustme
11-23-09 12:17 PM
900, then we should let them buy more equipment so they can get better.

900PAnDC
11-23-09 9:02 AM
Medicare data and WVHCA data both indicate CCMH is highest cost, lowest quality on all cardiac admissions.

"Please sir, may I have more?"

thatsjustme
11-20-09 12:51 PM
halfhill, my guess is the doc could be at the hospital in a lot less than 60 minutes. the patient remains ready, preliminary work is done while the doc is on the way, saves the patient more confusion and is more helpful tot he family.

Perine
11-19-09 9:18 PM
Hmmm......halfhill makes a lot of sense. Now if King had said something about moving the patient rather than the time it took, then that would be a different matter.

eccentric506
11-19-09 8:33 PM
for as much as I am a staunch conservative the actions of MSBCBS relate to those of union thugs who are intent on having their platform bowed down to regardless of who is harmed in the process

luke304
11-19-09 4:13 PM
The health care authority is the one to blame here not St. Joes, Camden Clark, or MSBCBS.

icuindytrav
11-19-09 1:28 PM
If all things are equal between area hospitals, I don't see BCBS's problem. If all things are NOT equal perhaps there is a fire under all the smoke. Open honest communication would be to the publics benefit.

righteous1
11-19-09 11:21 AM
Camden Clark is a community, non-profit hospital and they will work with people who cannot afford to pay. Saint Joseph's is a money hungry for profit organization. Because of this many people who do not have insurance and can't afford St. Joseph's fees prefer CCMH. This alone should be enough reason for the procedure to be allowed at CCMH. MT. ST. BCBS needs to realize that they do NOT represent everybody and that many people do not have insurance but yet do have health problems!

wildbill
11-19-09 11:15 AM
My guess is that BCBS has some sort of kickback deal with St. Joes and realizes that this may expose it.

halfhill
11-19-09 10:17 AM
What's wrong with this picture...King says it takes 60 minutes to transfer patient to St. Joe??? How long does it take one of the part-time cardiologists to get to the hospital?

gorilla
11-19-09 9:49 AM
Competition improves quality in any market. While single source service is socialism in any market. What is the concern of BCBS?

Tink26181
11-19-09 8:46 AM
CCMH should concentrate on improving the efficiency of the care that they are already certified to offer especially in their Emergency Department.

thatsjustme
11-19-09 7:07 AM
msbcbs should shut their mouth and stay out of the way. this is a perfect example of the insurers telling doctors and hospitals how to treat patients. it is the insurer coming between patient and health care provider.

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