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Making West Virginia’s economy grow

September 22, 2013

The West Virginia Chamber of Commerce strongly believes West Virginia’s future is tied closely to education enhancement, improving our jobs climate and the continued improvement of our......

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denver

Sep-22-13 7:50 AM

Id like to know the name of that former chief economist with the U.S. Department of Labor, that said a "flag man" on a public project in rural West Virginia is paid $37.00 per hour PLUS FRINGE BENEFITS. Because he sure as heck doesn't know what he talking about

Google: W.Va. DOH struggles to find workers, low pay cited

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denver

Sep-22-13 8:10 AM

And Id like to know this, Just how are we going to grow our economy, which will create more revenue for all West Virginians. If we don't have the roads in place first. What would Steve Roberts do, tell the news businesses that we will fix the roads once they build here. Yea that sounds like a good idea!

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Suttle

Sep-22-13 10:56 AM

That "flag man" must have worked in Mingo County with the usual and customary political connections. I am sure that after the kickbacks to all the political hacks down in Mingo, the poor flag man was probably making less than minimum wage.

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AaronS

Sep-22-13 11:32 AM

DOH workers don't build our infrastructure and their wages aren't mandated by the federal government or Davis Beacon wage rates. Go to the Secretary of Dtates office and get a copy of the wage rates. That flagger cost the state ~$50.00 hour and they're some of the lower wage earners. Those who tie rebar make upwards of $60 per hour PLUS fringe benifits. It's ridiculous and part of the reason our infrastructure cost so much.

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denver

Sep-22-13 12:33 PM

Steve Roberts wrote a "flag man" on a public project in rural West Virginia is (paid) $37.00 per hour (PLUS FRINGE BENEFITS.) not cost!! So what article are you commenting about there little buddy?

And Id say if that flagger cost the state ~$50.00 hour somebody is making a lot of money off the flagger. And maybe the Blue Ribbon Commission needs to look into that.

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denver

Sep-22-13 12:36 PM

As for you saying, "those who tie rebar make upwards of $60 per hour PLUS fringe benifits" well that's a lie and you know it!

You know there's reason why Sean Hannity paid to have Keith Judd put on the ballot as a Democrat to run against President Obama in the Primary Election last year in West Virginia, Its called uninformed and uneducated!!!

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GPettit

Sep-22-13 1:16 PM

Thank You for using Google!

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Guy007

Sep-22-13 1:55 PM

The right way to making WV's economy grow is the enhancement of vital, proper education to our youth. Given that merely a high school education is not going to provide the recipient an opportunity to obtain a lucrative income to grow the economy of West Virginia,a college degree in either engineering,mathematics, computer science,accounting or environmental studies is absolutely essential. A degree in liberal arts, social work,teaching,or law will not aid in providing a good income for the recipient,let alone aid in growing the state's economy.

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AaronS

Sep-22-13 2:07 PM

Public projects Mr. Roberts is referring to are those place out for public bid through the state Department of Transportation web sit. Go to it and search "lettings." You will see that on average the state 'lets' projects about once a month. These lettings consist of primarily of paving projects, bridge repair and/or replacement and slide repair. The lane expansion on Emerson Ave is but one example. Kelly Paving was awarded the project in 2012. Every project that is "let" has a bid package that General Contractors must abide by. Part of that package is a copy of the current prevailing wage rates. If your bright enough, you can google WV Secretary of State Prevailing wage and see the rates for yourself. From there, you have to be a little familiar as to whether its a state or federal project, what county it's in and the job title and the classification of the job. Even you should be able to look this up and see the bottom level wage rates listed for 2013 D

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AaronS

Sep-22-13 2:08 PM

Public projects Mr. Roberts is referring to are those place out for public bid through the state Department of Transportation web sit. Go to it and search "lettings." You will see that on average the state 'lets' projects about once a month. These lettings consist of primarily of paving projects, bridge repair and/or replacement and slide repair. The lane expansion on Emerson Ave is but one example. Kelly Paving was awarded the project in 2012. Every project that is "let" has a bid package that General Contractors must abide by. Part of that package is a copy of the current prevailing wage rates. If your bright enough, you can google WV Secretary of State Prevailing wage and see the rates for yourself. From there, you have to be a little familiar as to whether its a state or federal project, what county it's in and the job title and the classification of the job. Even you should be able to look this up and see the bottom level wage rates listed for 2013 D

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denver

Sep-22-13 5:44 PM

So if they put those jobs out for bid like the one at Rt.2 and I-77 (which they do) how did you come up with the flagger costing the State $50 an hour? And I can tell you one thing for sure! Those guys tying rebar, are not making $60 per hour PLUS fringe benefits. That's a lie! Maybe you can get "GPettit" to believe that, but the rest of us can think for ourselves, and we have Family or Friends that works on those road projects

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GPettit

Sep-22-13 6:25 PM

Denny, I really do not care about this argument at all because I am not up to date on WV's issues as I have not been back since 2006. Again Thank You for using Google, to support Californians

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AaronS

Sep-22-13 6:49 PM

Since you know so much denver, tell us what someone tying re-bar makes on one of these state jobs.

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denver

Sep-22-13 6:59 PM

Will I can tell you this, its not $60 an hour PLUS fringe benefits.

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denver

Sep-22-13 7:02 PM

Im begaining to think we would have been better off if we took the money we paid for the Governor's Blue Ribbon Commission on Highways and put it, in the highway funds!!!

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AaronS

Sep-22-13 9:58 PM

You can't tell me because you don't know anything about it as your first post clearly demonstrates. You thought DOH officials constructed our highways and bridges. You didn't even realize there were prevailing wages until I directed you to the SOS's site. Even after I told you where to look, you couldn't find rates to contradict either Mr. Roberts statements about flaggers or mine regarding iron workers, which disappoints me.

Terrible denver, just terrible.

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denver

Sep-23-13 5:12 AM

La La land again there little buddy! What about that $60 an hour PLUS fringe benefits. Lol.

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denver

Sep-23-13 5:16 AM

When they say a "flag man" on a public project in rural West Virginia. Who do you think people think it is their talking about?

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AaronS

Sep-23-13 8:05 AM

I don't have to think, I know DA.

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AaronS

Sep-23-13 10:40 AM

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"Pretty much we have to work out the materials prices since labor is set for us," Miller said. He said none of the current members of the fire department could take on the full-time job of project manager. "Being a volunteer organization, our members work other jobs," he said, "so we don't have a member who can take six months off to coordinate the project." Labor lobbyists say complaints about prevailing wage rules are usually a red herring to draw blame when project costs come in over estimates. They have said labor costs represent a small portion of costs and materials account for most of the overruns. Miller disagrees. "A drywall hanger, which we would have gotten for free (from volunteers), we now have to pay $44.11 per hour," he said. "We had what we felt was an extremely reasonable bid from a local company to lay cement, and now we're forced to pay 42.62 an hour for that work. That's about $15 or $16 mo

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AaronS

Sep-23-13 10:41 AM

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Labor groups lobbied against the plan, saying fire departments should abide by the same laws as everyone else. The bill's failure meant the department had to go back to the drawing board and bring in some help to figure out a way to bring costs down. "We put out a bid for a project manager, and we're in the process of finalizing that right now," Miller said. The department was interviewing the final candidates this week. He hopes a decision will be made next week. "As soon as we have a project manager in place, we're going to actively work on breaking ground and moving forward on the project," he said. The project manager will work until construction is complete, coordinating with contractors and subcontractors. He or she also will negotiate reductions in some building costs. That will include contacting some firms that offered to donate materials. Continued below…

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AaronS

Sep-23-13 10:42 AM

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Late in the Legislature's recent session, House leadership pulled a bill from the agenda that would have exempted state volunteer fire departments from prevailing wage and labor rules that other public authorities must follow for expansion projects. "It's the ultimate irony that a volunteer department is compelled to pay prevailing wage," said Tom Miller, a volunteer firefighter and secretary of the department's board of directors. "I've worked for 27, almost 28 years for my community for free, and now I'm having to pay prevailing wage to build a building," he said. "I'm not anti-union, but it just boggles me." Miller said if the bill had passed, it likely would have saved the department about $645,000 in construction costs to rebuild the station, which burned to the ground in October 2010.

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AaronS

Sep-23-13 10:42 AM

Most people do not understand the implications from prevailing wage laws. When the Sissonville fire department burned down 2 years ago, volunteers spent nearly a year raising money to replace their building. As part of that fund raising effort, they accepted a $50K donation from the Kanawha County Commission as well as a federal grant for $10,000. The laborers union protested the use of non-union labor because prevailing wage laws dictate the use of union labor at higher wages. A bill was introduced to exempt volunteer firefighters but was withdrawn in the middle of the legislative sessions. As a result, the cost increased by almost $900K. Prevailing wages are costing taxpayers millions.

CHARLESTON, W.Va. - Nearly a month after being dealt a setback by state lawmakers, officials in the Sissonville Volunteer Fire Department said they are scratching their heads over labor rules they must follow in the rebuilding of their main fire station.

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denver

Sep-23-13 6:32 PM

And thats got what, to do with this article??

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denver

Sep-23-13 6:36 PM

You said a man tying rebar make upwards of $60 per hour PLUS fringe benifits on a public project in rural West Virginia. And I said thats a lie

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