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Put politics aside to protect W.Va.

June 6, 2013

Getting Republicans and Democrats to work together in West Virginia can seem like begging dogs and cats to play nice....

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RealityInTheMOV

Jun-11-13 9:23 AM

Typical liberal responses ALWAYS include deferment of topic, insistence on unproven facts, shame/embarrassment of the other party, and hate-filled attacks irrelevant to the current subject matter. Hey, Aaron, are you aware that the maximum fish consumption limits from the Ohio River and it's tributaries was recently RAISED because of the clean-up efforts from local businesses?!?! Unbelievable, huh? Dems can't argue with facts, so they resort to fictitious claims that make no sense. When called out, they have no recourse other than Saul Alinsky-esque behavior. Thank GOD my eyes were opened years ago. Responsibility is a much better feeling than reliance. I support West Virginia's most abundant resource...COAL!!!

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neocurmudgeon74

Jun-07-13 2:32 PM

Species do differ in mineral requirements & tolerance. Sheep, for instance, easily overdose on copper -- so feed formulated for cattle is poison to sheep.

I suspect that the level of selenium needed by humans, or sheep, is not deadly to ALL wildlife & may even be beneficial to some. I take your word for it that it is deadly to SOME wildlife. Examples -- either way -- might be helpful.

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AaronS

Jun-07-13 11:34 AM

And those robber barons you speak of are spending millions to not only monitor but control selenium discharged into the environment.

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Guy007

Jun-07-13 11:10 AM

Selenium is deadly to wildlife, which in itself gives cause to closely monitor this deadly pollutant both EPA and DEP have measured in our streams of Southern West Virginia.

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neocurmudgeon74

Jun-07-13 10:44 AM

How low should selenium be? It's an essential trace nutrient. But it has a rather narrow range compared to many nutrients. You will suffer from TOO LITTLE or TOO MUCH. As is true for many nutrients. (You can get too much selenium from eating too many Brazil nuts, the food highest in selenium.) On the other hand, sheep in many parts of the country where the soil is low in selenium give birth to weak lambs (white muscle disease) unless their feed is supplemented w/ selenium.

I don't know how much is too much. But it's not like arsenic or lead, there is such a thing as not enough.

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AaronS

Jun-06-13 11:54 PM

I'm curious Guy, have you been to the twisted Gun Golf Course? Or mungo central High School? How about deer hunting in many of the mountainous counties?

Do you not see the economic opportunities from flat land and highways in Southern WV?

You keep referencing all this destruction yet the best you can do is blame coal for southern WV's drug problems.

Really?

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Suttle

Jun-06-13 11:53 PM

Coal companies have taken hundreds of millions of dollars out of West Virginia leaving only black lung, poverty, drug addiction and the poorest of education for the children. Our politicians have sold their souls to the Wall Street barons abandoning the state's citizens. Blaming President Obama and the EPA have little to do with the decline of coal as a source for energy. Cleaner and cheaper fuel, such as natural gas, is to bare most of the burden for coal's decline. It is time for West Virginia to kick the "crack habit" that it has had with the black diamond and start planning for a future without coal as a major fuel for the state's economic engine. As long as West Virginia keeps playing the blame game instead of planning for the future, poverty will never leave this state. Action and finding solutions are always much harder than trying to blame someone for the mess that in reality our own state leaders have created.

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AaronS

Jun-06-13 11:48 PM

Yet you can cite no specifics.

Telling

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Guy007

Jun-06-13 10:54 PM

Neither am I a liberal nor a conservative,both exhibiting destructive and most limited behavioral characteristics. I am simply pointing out historical facts,which many do not want to accept,perhaps for biased irrationality reasons.

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AaronS

Jun-06-13 10:47 PM

Nothing...iPhone and fat fingers don't mix.

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AaronS

Jun-06-13 10:45 PM

I've always found it funny that liberals blame coal for the drug problems of southern WV.

And you still have mothing?

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Guy007

Jun-06-13 10:27 PM

One merely has to look at the steady emigration of southern West Virginians in search of work to escape the impacts of mountaintop removal. Massive buyouts of homes and businesses are taking place,intense depopulation is occurring,and migration is escalating and souring. The coal companies are essentially gobbling up the community as mountaintop removal expands,consumes the surrounding land and displaces residents. Communities are dissolving. Witness the closing of local businesses and schools Those young residents who remain,having little education,resort to illegal drug activity to survive,all in the name of Coal Baron greed.

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AaronS

Jun-06-13 9:32 PM

Sill nothing to discuss, huh Guy? For such prevalent destruction, I would think you'd have no problem citing something.

Anything.

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manydemocrats

Jun-06-13 8:50 PM

GUY & GEEZER, I have a new found respect for your opinions. Finally, we can agree on something. Hopefully, we can convince OTHERS of both parties {THE UN-KNOWLEDGEABLE} of the damage that these GIANT COAL CORPORATIONS have done to our state.... Undoubtedly, guy and geezer have witnessed many of the same violations of humanity, that I have seen in the past 60 years. There are so many, many things, POLITICAL ISSUES that we "DISAGREE UPON" Perhaps, we can set an example for the younger generation that "YES" some things are in both our best interests.

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Guy007

Jun-06-13 8:14 PM

An example of environmental destruction is to merely view in its entirety Sothern West Virginia where coal has been mined and the destructive form of strip mining(mountaintop removal) that blasts apart mountain ridge tops to expose multiple seams of coal has been utilized.Debris is dumped into the valleys below,covering streams and creating valley fills that remain intact when the mining ends. The resultant valley fills continue to discharge dangerous pollutants,including selenium,which is harmful.

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AaronS

Jun-06-13 7:19 PM

I have been to McDowell, many times. It's a beautiful bike ride, the hunting and fishing are great at any of the protected wildlife areas and the people are outstanding. Well, the ones not hooked on drugs, THE #1 problem in southern WV. The biggest issue is the terrain which makes travel difficult. Completion of major highways will do more for the area than anything else.

I'm not denying that there have been environmental issues but they've by and large been addressed. The water and air are cleaner than they've been in decades and MTR sites provide excellent economic opportunities if utilized correctly as flat land is a premium in that part of the state.

I still can't help but note you've provided no examples to any of the issues you claim.

Why is that?

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Guy007

Jun-06-13 3:50 PM

Like Nick Rahall,unlike the great Ken Heckler(with a long sterling record),and unlike my brother,who is an everyday witness to the conditions in McDowell County,many profiteers are truly blinded by the deplorable lack of the many,many reclamation projects that will be needed to hopefully restore what has been destroyed(raped) by the profiteering coal barons. I have been there many times to see this tragedy. Listen to Ken Heckler,Robert Kennedy,Jr. and other good environmentalists(DEP staff),who have written and/or talked about these evidential conditions. Go see for yourself the violations of the current Clean Water Act or the Abandoned Mine Act of 1977.

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AaronS

Jun-06-13 3:28 PM

I visit McDowell,Mingo,Mercer and Wyoming counties on a frequent basis and I don't see the dreadful effects you are talking about guy. You're going to have to give some examples. Until I see something, I'll have to call a big ole bull shinola on your comments.

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Guy007

Jun-06-13 3:01 PM

The southern coalfields of West Virginia are witnessing the most environmentally,economically,and unhealthy deplorable,and almost inhabitable conditions created by the coal companies,even though mechanization began in the late 1950's. Were their actions sanctioned by politicians and their similar profit motive? YES Indeed.Simply visit McDowell,Mingo,Mercer and Wyoming counties to see the dreadful effects of Mountain Top Removal. Who gives an accurate portrayal of this area Nick Rahall or Ken Heckler?

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AaronS

Jun-06-13 2:40 PM

“…recently increased the limits on how much selenium can be released into our waterways.”

That’s simply not true. I’d show you the purchase order I recently received for material to construct the process plant to remove selenium but I can’t. And really, even if I could, you wouldn’t believe it so why bother. Needless to say, your comment is simply wrong.

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“I was born and raised in the northern WV coalfields...” Born, raised and still live in West Virginia’s southern coal fields, home to some of the most beautiful scenery in WV. Come on down and I’ll show you how wrong about this area you truly are.

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AaronS

Jun-06-13 2:37 PM

“We must stop these profit FOCUSED ONLY, greedy wealthy elite from BUYING OUR POLITICIANS favor.”

Something can’t be bought unless it’s for sale. Seems to me the blame starts with our politicians, don’t you agree!!!!!

“The coal industry focuses on reducing the number of jobs through mechanization, not increasing employment.”

Well duh. Seriously, that’s your argument? Please tell me you got more than that geezer as that’s about the stupidest comment I’ve seen arise from anyone on either side of the aisle.

“Coal mines destroy the environment and even after reclamation continue to release selenium into our drinking water.”

Besides the fact that Dunkard Creek proves your comment wrong, coal companies are now spending millions on processes to reduce the amount of selenium released into the environment.

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AaronS

Jun-06-13 2:36 PM

“YES, we will all die together from the ravages of the GIANT CORPORATIONS polluting our land, air, rivers & streams.”

The problem with that fallacy is our air, land, rivers and streams are cleaner than they have been in decades and getting cleaner. The Coal River is the perfect example. Once considered irreparable, both the Big and Little Coal are home to some of the area’s finest fishing and water recreation. Dunkard Creek, home to a massive fish kill in 2009 that started the debate on selenium in our waterways is rebounding with 95% of the fish, salamanders, and muscles have returned. It’s a nice little creek; you should drive over sometime and take a stroll. Just be careful the not to kill any of abundance of aquatic life present.

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AaronS

Jun-06-13 12:39 PM

So many inaccurate statements I don't know where to begin but alas, it will have to wait until I get to my computer. There's far too much marlarky for me to refute from my aaronphone.

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Guy007

Jun-06-13 12:17 PM

Manydemocrats,like you I had a coal mining father(and grandfather) from Dawson Mines in Harrison County. I too saw what the Coal barons did to the community growing up there in the 1940s before Dad was fortunate to land a job at the Viscose(later FMC) in South Parkersburg. I agree with what you say about these despicable Coal barons and corporations who do not give a rats ass about the miners and their families and the environment,both of which they have destroyed. Coal is still,in the SHORT Run, the life line of WV. However,better methods(not mountain top removal) and compassionate ownership(Am I a dreamer) must exist with better working conditions.

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manydemocrats

Jun-06-13 11:24 AM

Unlike many of you here in the mid-Ohio valley, I was born and raised in the northern WV coalfields, by a coal miner father. I witnessed and lived the abuses of these coal companies for a great portion of my life. Hundreds and thousands of people in these areas suffer from the horrendous diseases, because of the various form of pollution that have been occurring for over a hundred years. Thousands of men have lost their lives {KILLED} or INJURED, because of unsafe working conditions. Many SMALL improvements in health, safety and environmental concerns have happened since the formation of the EPA. In spite of all this, these wealthy coal barons are still multi- billionaires, socking their giant profits away in offshore bank accounts to avoid paying US & WV taxes. But even worse, is their buying our politicians favor, with the pretense of creating JOBS for the working class.

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