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15-year-old girls are not women

May 21, 2013

Political correctness has sunk into absurdity in a situation involving access to the so-called “Plan B” birth control drug....

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neocurmudgeon74

May-24-13 10:43 AM

BakerKat, the question of whether a fertilized egg is a human being, is NOT as simple as it may appear. W/o broadening this discussion as we would have to to explain that statement, I believe there is not any one simple moment when human life begins. You can make a good case for several different points in development; but you basically have to pick one & recognize that other people can make a good case for picking some other point. (Personally, I pick the beginning of a brain wave, somewhere around 10 weeks. You don't have to agree.) If you insist that fertilization is the only answer, I'll have to take time to walk you through the "twin paradox".

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janeeyre1

May-23-13 6:19 PM

What's really strange is this issue has already been ruled on and there's nothing any of you can do to change it.For all many of you know your daughters may already be taking this drug. Besides, I don't see any of you in this discussion offering any other potential solutions? If you can't offer an alternative solution to this problem then why bother complaining?

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BakerKat

May-23-13 4:51 PM

My mistake - or is it? I thought this pill worked by preventing the fertilized egg from attaching to the womb. So . . . I would NOT be giving this to my child.

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manydemocrats

May-23-13 4:44 PM

Hmmm. """Make it impossible for these girls to get welfare. Once they realize that they will have to quit school, wait tables and support their baby they might think twice. Some consequences need to be put in place. What happens when she can't find a job? Who babysits while she is working?. What if she don't make enough money to feed herself and her baby? I am sure that there's many GRANDPARENTS out there that can answer these questions. And to Mr WarrenDad, I understand your desire to rule the proverbial roost and wish you all the luck and success in the world. But, remember that all ""children at 15"" are not obedient. As I said earlier in another post. Do you or any parent believe your child would come to you and request your permission to take this "MORNING AFTER PILL." because they had done something stupid the night before. Making this prevention pill available is not going encourage teen sex. But, it may prevent many unwanted babies

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janeeyre1

May-23-13 3:38 PM

The problem is not having the government "up in our business." The problem is young girls are bringing millions of babies into the world that they are totally unpreparred to care and provide for, who will become the burden of the taxpayers. At least this judge took a stand and came up with a solution. We have tried things your way socialworkrocks. Your way did not work. It's time to try something different. I do have another option. Make it impossible for these girls to get welfare. Once they realize that they will have to quit school, wait tables and support their baby they might think twice. Some consequences need to be put in place.

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WarrenDad

May-23-13 12:17 PM

Nobody had better try to tell me what medication my daughter can take at age 15. I am her guardian, caretaker and provider till they list her as an adult at 18.

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SocialWorkRocks

May-23-13 12:15 PM

BTW @JANE aka 4thebetter and various other names on to you.

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SocialWorkRocks

May-23-13 12:14 PM

@Jane: I see nothing on this board about people wanting teens to be pregnant, and yes poor parenting is the problem. However the argument on the board is related to the government telling parents they have no choice in the medication that their children (yes 15 is a child) take. Everyone keeps saying poor parenting, but is every pregnancy a product of poor parenting? Not every time as Demos would have you believe. Everyone keeps pointing out maturity is a cause for these kids to have sex, maturity has nothing to do with it in a lot of cases (thus the unprotected sex)

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SocialWorkRocks

May-23-13 12:10 PM

@Demo: They say when someone resorts to calling names they feel like they are losing the argument. Just saying....

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janeeyre1

May-23-13 12:03 PM

Some of you on here really confuse me. You agree that the teen pregnancy problem is out of control. But you don't think this drug is a good idea because a 15 year old girl is not mature enough to make decisions about medications. Yet you do not the government to be making decisions for the same girl? Sometimes you have to stop debating and pick a team. I don't see this as a should they or shouldn't they make this pill legal issue. This is a parents need to be more responsible and teach their kids some values issue. There has never been more access to information about birth control and STDs yet these problems are out of control. I see a lot of moms on here proclaiming how much they love their kids and what good mothers they are. But they seem to spend the majority of their time on these message boards? Just sayin people!

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janeeyre1

May-23-13 11:30 AM

Am I from another planet or should parents be involved, and dictate, what their 15 year old daughter should be doing and how she should be behaving? Show me a 15 year old girl who is sexually active and drinking/smoking and I will show you parents with poor values, most of whom got pregnant when they were 15. I keep seeing social workers be against this drug. Sounds like they want these girls to keep having babies. More job security for them.

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UnicornsandRainbows

May-23-13 3:12 AM

janeeyre1, while we agree about the need for this drug I hardly think social services are a reward. Straight welfare is difficult to obtain (as it should be), you have to work to get food stamps and when I applied for low-income housing (years ago when I was a single Mom) I was turned down for having bad credit. Social services are hardly a ticket to easy street. They are a way for the poorest of us to survive.

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UnicornsandRainbows

May-23-13 3:09 AM

So the author thinks more 15 year old girls should get pregnant? Excellent idea. I'm sure she won't mind providing services for that child until it's 18, not to mention prenatal care. Not to mention children of teenagers often (not always) have difficulty becoming productive members of society. So she will be pleased with an increase in crime, still more social services, etc. BTW, Plan B is simply a birth control pill. It just a higher does than a regular pill. It PREVENTS pregnancy, it does not terminate them. I am for almost anything that prevents individuals from having children before they are ready and if the author cares about our society she should be too.

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manydemocrats

May-22-13 6:37 PM

Baker.... understand what is being proposed... The """PILL""" only prevents insemination sucess.... NOT ABORTION... this is a totally different perspective on UNWANTED PREGNANCY...

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manydemocrats

May-22-13 6:30 PM

Hey DIPPY "SOCIAL" the consequences that go along with using alcohol, cigarettes, or drugs are NOT COMPARABLE to a 15 year old ending up PREGNANT. Your desire to come up some kind of """LOGICAL""": argument is failing miserably. Your stupidity is beginning to show... I don't know how you adopted the name SOCIALWORKS, But it is quite obvious, that if you have EVER had any education in SOCIAL WORK you obviously FAILED..... DUH....

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SocialWorkRocks

May-22-13 1:04 PM

BOY! These so called responses are getting quite a laugh around the office here :) So if they are sexually active then they are mature enough to choose medication related to the activity (age 15) then if they are smart enough to get the booze and cigs then they are mature enough to use them? You would probably advocate for minors using alcohol and tobacco since they are going to do it anyway. Keep the reasons coming, we LOVE the thoughts!

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manydemocrats

May-22-13 10:20 AM

Suttle, you are 100% correct. It is not desirable for "children, youngsters, teen adults, or whatever term we want to call them, to be sexually active. The bottom line is they are having SEX. Fortunately today, because of education, many of them are using protection against unwanted pregnancy. Unfortunately, some do not. Burying your head in the sand and pretending that this isn't so, is such a typically antiquated Right Wing thought process. If your parenting skills have been successful, then hopefully your children are abstaining or are using protection. If your 15, 16, 17, year old "CHILD" had unprotected sex last night. Do you honestly believe they would come to you and ask for a PILL to AVOID PREGNANCY...????

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Suttle

May-22-13 9:43 AM

The fact is that young girls and boys are having unprotected sex which many times results in an unwanted pregnancy. Unfortunately if they are old enough to make a baby, then they are old enough to take the pill. You might not like it, but this is our society and our culture we have provided our children.

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SocialWorkRocks

May-22-13 8:24 AM

@Baker: I agree and some kids at 17-18 are not mature enough to make choices about drugs/medications.

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BakerKat

May-22-13 8:18 AM

You can call people names on here but you can't spell con doms?

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BakerKat

May-22-13 8:18 AM

I don't oppose them having access to ******s - killing a child is something totally different and I don't think 15 is the age to make those kind of decisions alone.

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SocialWorkRocks

May-22-13 8:05 AM

Lol! Boy the explanations people come up with to keep government in your business. I believe the saying is keep drinking the kool aid @Demo.

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denver

May-22-13 5:14 AM

Maybe the Government shouldn't be involved. But just remember where that old welfare check comes from every month for the next 18 years,

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manydemocrats

May-21-13 9:21 PM

Baker, The other scenario is something goes wrong and she's pregnant at 15 and you the parent, "didn't have a clue." Often times, 15 year old "children" have adult bodies and adult sexual urges. The reality is we live in a world today, that the word "SEX" is no longer regarded as TABOO. Today's "CHILDREN" are very learned and informed. This is not a matter of "GOVERNMENT" controlling your child. That's your job!!! And if you don't do or fail to do "your job". Then the government has simply given the ""CHILD"" a safe method to get herself out of the mess she's put herself in.

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BakerKat

May-21-13 7:21 PM

So your child can go buy a pill - something horrible goes wrong - and you the parent don't have a clue what is going on? Messed up. Kids are kids are kids very simple. If the government wants that much control of your child - maybe they should pay all the childs bills?

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