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April 13, 2013

UP: To Belpre Volunteer Fire Department chief Bob Frank, who announced this week he will be retiring on May 31....

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neocurmudgeon74

Apr-15-13 10:09 AM

Or did you mean "What the ...!?" If so, disregard my last post.

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neocurmudgeon74

Apr-15-13 10:06 AM

W.T.? Where did that come from?

Do you think my initials are W.T.? Wrong.

I'm also not Mr. S., as someone else seemed to think -- although in a back-handed way, that's not as far off. I suppose if people keep this up long enough they'll figure out who I am -- but at this rate, it'll take a collective lifetime, so you can surely find better things to do.

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neocurmudgeon74

Apr-15-13 10:00 AM

Your points were:

there are laws against murder and it still happens

guns will continue to be sold to individuals that are legally prohibited to own them, regardless of any new laws.

Both true -- & both incomplete. What we care about is: Will changing the law change the number of people who shouldn't have guns, getting guns? You say no, I say yes.

You tried to support your argument about gun sales by comparing it to murder. You claimed that the laws we have against homicide have no effect on the number of murders. & thus by analogy, laws regulating gun sales have no effect on who gets what gun. Am I correct so far?

But your assertion about murder fails. If there were no laws against homicide, there would be more homicides. (Are you still not convinced of that?)

& that failure drags down your argument against gun-sale regulation.

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Privatized

Apr-15-13 1:39 AM

Whiskey Tango....!? How did I sidestep?

My points were, there are laws against murder and it still happens, and guns will continue to be sold to individuals that are legally prohibited to own them, regardless of any new laws. The black market will simply expand.

You said - "To answer your question, you have to ask: what if there were no laws against it?"

Ermm, what?

Let me clear this up for you, on the question about murder. If a person is a murderer, they have already broken the law. You can't be called one literally until you commit the act.

I agree, for you to answer the original question correctly, you at least have to think about it. It was somewhat of a trick question and you were tricked by it.

Now I think I know how Brer Rabbit felt. I'm almost sorry I asked. :>))

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neocurmudgeon74

Apr-14-13 11:54 PM

Privatized, I think you got lost in your own argument.

You asked, Does murder being illegal prevent any murders? To answer your question, you have to ask: what if there were no laws against it? (Nobody's advocating for repealing the laws against homicide & wrongful death -- but to answer your own question, you have to at least think about it.) You sidestepped it.

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Privatized

Apr-14-13 10:07 PM

neocurmudgeon74, you are incorrect. By default, a murderer has broken the law, by being a murderer. Murder is against the law, you can't be one without breaking the law.

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denver

Apr-14-13 6:22 PM

Good answer "neocurmudgeon74"

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BENLLOYD

Apr-14-13 4:41 PM

Regarding the "Thumbs Down" comment on the inconvience of the railroad work: Do you want improvements or not? Sometimes progress gets in the way of convenience. Deal with it.

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neocurmudgeon74

Apr-14-13 3:55 PM

"Murder is illegal too, has that ever stopped one single murderer?"

Yes.

Thanks for an easy question. It's nice to be able to give a one-word answer.

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Privatized

Apr-14-13 12:19 PM

No, it doesn't make a difference. If you want anything bad enough you'll pay the asking price or negotiate a better one.

Murder is illegal too, has that ever stopped one single murderer?

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neocurmudgeon74

Apr-14-13 11:45 AM

You may not have to be smart to find someone willing to sell you a gun -- but you'll usually pay more. Can you say that makes no difference?

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denver

Apr-14-13 7:27 AM

I wonder if Sheriff Crum had a "I'm Armed sticker" on his sheriff car from the NRA? Because if he did, that should have protected him, according to the National Rifle Association, "NRA!" Or maybe he needed an armed guard like they say we need in our schools. Or even better have a gun of his-own!

Or maybe, and I doubt it, "because that's how those "BAD LIBERAL" people think," if Maynard had been in a mental health institution being treated for his mental problems, then maybe Sheriff Crum would still be alive today.

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Privatized

Apr-13-13 11:32 PM

You don't have to be smart to find someone willing to sell you a gun.

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neocurmudgeon74

Apr-13-13 10:42 PM

One side of this discussion maintains that criminals can get guns illegally as easily & as cheaply as honest people can buy them legally. Which has never made sense to me. But, Privatized, do you really think this Maynard guy is that smart?

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mntrbob

Apr-13-13 7:03 PM

And it has been reported that after Maynard was in the system he tried to buy a gun but was refused which if he lied would have been a crime. There are very few convictions based on the number of, fraudulent applications filed. Additional laws will not make us safer and will only make the libs feel more warm and fuzzy inside.

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Privatized

Apr-13-13 10:05 AM

Look, if Maynard had been prevented from buying a gun from a dealer, the only difference today would be that he got his guns tax-free.

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denver

Apr-13-13 7:50 AM

I wonder if Sheriff Crum, would have still been murdered, if Maynard had been armed with a knife or a ball bat?

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denver

Apr-13-13 6:27 AM

And "Geezer" now we find out that The man accused of killing Sheriff Crum bought several guns, not just one, after he had been determined legally ineligible to own them,

Two Thumbs Down, to {republican} Delegate Patrick Lane

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Geezer

Apr-13-13 4:07 AM

Ironically, the now deceased Sheriff Crum of Mingo County was one of the W.Va. sheriffs who, along with Ken Merritt, signed the 'pledge' to not enforce new federal gun laws.

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north26103

Apr-13-13 12:36 AM

as a gun owner, it sounds like this was a very smart move on Delegate Lane. Thumbs UP

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